[Cshel86]

i don't know the particulars...but from my understanding...when they set limits on what a guy can weigh before he enters the ring, there is usually a second weigh in 24 hours after the first. what he gains prior to entering the ring is then checked by hbo's unofficial scale which i trust about as much as their punchstats and ledermans' scorecard. make what u will of it...but roger mayweather confirmed what i suspected all along with pac opponents and their weight.

i thought collazo started hattons demise. he dropped him in that last round but they didn't call it. i didn't witness pac's losses when they happened early in his career but i have seen video. he wasn't exactly wrecked...but still...coming back from ko losses isn't an easy thing.

Well yes, you do have a point about the next-day weigh-ins and the unofficial weigh-ins. Trust me, I dont doubt you for one second when you mention the rehydration stipulations made by Pac over the years...it surely wouldn't be the first time he and his team have done it.

Shame on me for not remembering how Collazo had Ricky bouncing from pillar to post in that last round, especially. As for Manny and his early losses, I saw those on video as well, but again, its easy to come back after losses that people try to forget about and make excuses for.

[BrutalBodyShots]

Reid's people knew they had to cash out him him when they threw him in there with Trinidad. I'm surprised the guy still fought a handful of times after that.

Vargas was actually on par with Trinidad talent wise. Trinidad's power just got to him. Yes he was young but he had some good fights leading up to Trinidad like Quartey, Wright, Campas. Despite having a horrible 1st round against Trinidad, Vargas actually did pretty well in the fight and it was closely contested until the end. Reminds me a little of Pacquiao/Marquez I, coming back from a horrible 1st round.