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[Cshel86]

As for Robert Garcia...Im still hard pressed to understand why anyone considers him a great trainer. I honestly believe that he's a poor's man Freddie Roach.

1. Margarito sucks from a technical standpoint, and all he knows how to do is take punishment (in a good fashion), and go balls to wall in every fight.

2. Rios made it painfully obvious last night, that he doesn't know how to make adjustments. I mean, he dug a deeper hole for himself as the rounds passed. I laughed at him from the couch, and Abril laughed at him in the ring.

3. Donaire is just athletic as hell and has great power, but boxing wise...Vasquez made him look like a bit "amateurish" at certain points of the fight. Donaire struggles with making adjustments, and is often a victim of eating jabs, and cutting off the ring from time to time. I dont see the chemistry between him and Robert, but he does make Robert look good when he wins in an impressive fashion.

4. Pavlik...(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Im still laughing at this, somebody help me stop. Please...

5. Maidana...*sigh* Seriously?

6. Mikey Garcia - This has to be Robert's best fighter to date. He's disciplined when it comes to sticking to the game plan. They better take their time with him, because the rest of the fighters are already on the downside (aside from Donaire).

I've been feeling this way for a while, not just after last night. Does anybody see his instructions between rounds effective? How good is he, really?

[Zaryu]

I think he's a good trainer. Overrated because of a good winning streak his fighters had at a certain moment, and now catching some heat when the streak is not so good on his side. In both cases he has fallen victim to being judged as a trainer by his fighters performances alone and not necessarily with what he actually brought to the table. At first he was given too much credit (imo), and now he's been criticized a bit too much. I'm not sure Maidana is a valid argument here as we haven't seen the fruit of their work together yet, but with Margarito and Pavlik I've seen some improvement. I thought Margarito fought a good fight against Pacquiao (as good as he could possibly fight), I think Margo really hurt Manny too. The problem here was not stopping the fight. But that could have cost him his relationship with Margarito, which of course translates to money.

With Pavlik I actually saw improvements also. He placed his shots well, and as soon as Jaco attempted an attack I noticed Kelly moving his head and continued setting up his punches. Even if Pavlik loses down the road, we need to see his perfomance and compare it to how he looked before joining Garcia, and what advise he gave the fighter.Then we can judge him better. Considering it all I think he's a good trainer, probably one of the better trainers out there, but not a must to great trainer that everyone should seek out. He'll do good with certain fighters, but I don't think he's the type of trainer that will improve everyone or create great strategies for the biggest fights.

[daprofessor]

I think he's a good trainer. Overrated because of a good winning streak his fighters had at a certain moment, and now catching some heat when the streak is not so good on his side. In both cases he has fallen victim to being judged as a trainer by his fighters performances alone and not necessarily with what he actually brought to the table. At first he was given too much credit (imo), and now he's been criticized a bit too much. I'm not sure Maidana is a valid argument here as we haven't seen the fruit of their work together yet, but with Margarito and Pavlik I've seen some improvement. I thought Margarito fought a good fight against Pacquiao (as good as he could possibly fight), I think Margo really hurt Manny too. The problem here was not stopping the fight. But that could have cost him his relationship with Margarito, which of course translates to money.

With Pavlik I actually saw improvements also. He placed his shots well, and as soon as Jaco attempted an attack I noticed Kelly moving his head and continued setting up his punches. Even if Pavlik loses down the road, we need to see his perfomance and compare it to how he looked before joining Garcia, and what advise he gave the fighter.Then we can judge him better. Considering it all I think he's a good trainer, probably one of the better trainers out there, but not a must to great trainer that everyone should seek out. He'll do good with certain fighters, but I don't think he's the type of trainer that will improve everyone or create great strategies for the biggest fights.

i noticed that in pavliks last fight with lowe. i thought he actually made some improvements then.

[Zaryu]

i noticed that in pavliks last fight with lowe. i thought he actually made some improvements then.

He looked much better to me with Garcia than in his last fight with Lowe. I guess we'll just need to keep looking out for him on his next few fights against better oppisition.

[daprofessor]

He looked much better to me with Garcia than in his last fight with Lowe. I guess we'll just need to keep looking out for him on his next few fights against better oppisition.

i didn't see his last fight. i'll have to check for it on youtube.

[BoxingFan86]

i didn't see his last fight. i'll have to check for it on youtube.

Here is Pavlik talkin' 'bout how he won that fight with his left hand (that Garcia improved)...

This post has been edited by BoxingFan86: Apr 24 2012, 01:53 PM