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[Cshel86]

As for Robert Garcia...Im still hard pressed to understand why anyone considers him a great trainer. I honestly believe that he's a poor's man Freddie Roach.

1. Margarito sucks from a technical standpoint, and all he knows how to do is take punishment (in a good fashion), and go balls to wall in every fight.

2. Rios made it painfully obvious last night, that he doesn't know how to make adjustments. I mean, he dug a deeper hole for himself as the rounds passed. I laughed at him from the couch, and Abril laughed at him in the ring.

3. Donaire is just athletic as hell and has great power, but boxing wise...Vasquez made him look like a bit "amateurish" at certain points of the fight. Donaire struggles with making adjustments, and is often a victim of eating jabs, and cutting off the ring from time to time. I dont see the chemistry between him and Robert, but he does make Robert look good when he wins in an impressive fashion.

4. Pavlik...(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Im still laughing at this, somebody help me stop. Please...

5. Maidana...*sigh* Seriously?

6. Mikey Garcia - This has to be Robert's best fighter to date. He's disciplined when it comes to sticking to the game plan. They better take their time with him, because the rest of the fighters are already on the downside (aside from Donaire).

I've been feeling this way for a while, not just after last night. Does anybody see his instructions between rounds effective? How good is he, really?

[sduck]

Well... Some of his fighters lack any sort of technique, Margarito, Maidana, Rios. The most technically skilled fighter I would say Pavlik, but the best overall would be Mikey Garcia due to his focus and patience. The main thing Robert Garcia's fighters lack is defense. Pavlik, Garcia, and Donaire are aggressive counter-punchers who do naturally block punches with their gloves, but still get hit a lot, with the footwork and head movement not being there.

You know the trainer is one thing, but the true will comes from the fighter. If you pay attention to Rios' fight last night, Robert was trying to tell him to do something different, but Rios wouldn't listen. The problem with Freddie Roach is that all his fighters I've seen pretty much fight the same, and he doesn't give them adjustment advice, he tries to make them work with whatever gameplan they already established.

This post has been edited by sduck: Apr 15 2012, 01:22 PM

[Cheesey1]

Well... Some of his fighters lack any sort of technique, Margarito, Maidana, Rios. The most technically skilled fighter I would say Pavlik, but the best overall would be Mikey Garcia due to his focus and patience. The main thing Robert Garcia's fighters lack is defense. Pavlik, Garcia, and Donaire are aggressive counter-punchers who do naturally block punches with their gloves, but still get hit a lot, with the footwork and head movement not being there.

You know the trainer is one thing, but the true will comes from the fighter. If you pay attention to Rios' fight last night, Robert was trying to tell him to do something different, but Rios wouldn't listen. The problem with Freddie Roach is that all his fighters I've seen pretty much fight the same, and he doesn't give them adjustment advice, he tries to make them work with whatever gameplan they already established.

Agreed. R. Garcia was even showing that numbskull Rios how to f'ing bob and weave after one of the rounds.

As far as Pavlik and some of Garcia's other boxers (not including Margarito), were they always trained by him? I have to look into it some more, but my initial thoughts are that R. Garcia is a good trainer. As far as the lack of d, I'll have to look at who has always been in his camp to see if it's endemic to his training style and not the styles of the fighters themselves.
I fault Rios for yesterday and not Garcia, but whatever, Rios got paid and he'll get paid again. All praise be unto the Holy Top Rank.

This post has been edited by Cheesey1: Apr 16 2012, 12:19 AM