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post Apr 17 2012, 11:17 AM
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but for the first 4,5 round he had Floyd in very uncomfortable situations even though Floyd was most likely winning most of the rounds. I think Floyd and Castillo pressured Floyd the best. What are your thoughts? Do you think anyone else not named Castillo and Hatton can make things uncomfortable for Floyd. I just don't see Cotto doing it cause he doesn't have Hatton's fire and energy nor Castillo's chin and resiliance but is anybody else there that can make Floyd feel that uncomfortable. I thought hatton in the first half of the fight had Floyd feeling less at easte than in his fight against DLH.

I don't think Pacman is the man because he is an in and out, jump in get out type of a fighter. He doesn't really cut off the ring and bullies you to the ropes. This is the only strategy that could work against Floyd and to my memory only Castillo and Hatton had success where one could argue that Castillo won the first fight, yet he clearly lost the second one against FM.
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post Apr 18 2012, 06:04 PM
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Damn, Hatton gets no respect, and even less since the Pacman loss. I guess it's easy to break-down his wins as bad ones, you can do that with any fighter (Bhop, Floyd, Zaghe, etc.)

Hatton was a very underrated champ. Nobody on Cotto's resume is better than Kostya. Cotto struggled with Malignaggi. Hatton outboxed him and had him stopped. Hatton's got two losses in two fights he wasn't supposed to win and went up in weight and fought a big Collazo, it was a close fight if anybody should've won it, it was Collazo but he was still game and aggressive as always.

Cotto on the other hand, the more I think about it, the less confident I am in his supposed "tool box"
Guy got beat by Margarito bad, he should've lost to Clottey where Clottey just tore his face out with clean punching, Pacman destroyed him. Struggled against Malignaggi, Ndou late, Mosley late rounds, that little Colombian landed 100 flush punches to his face for a round and a half. Besides Cotto's character was softer than Hatton's. He quits or gives up when shit isn't going his way. Hatton will do the opposite.

I am not fooled by Cotto's last fight. Cotto held more and Margarito had his eye messed up. Margarito was getting to Cotto late again and they stopped it. Margarito with a healthy eye stops Cotto the same way he did the first time.

This should be a wash. I hope Mayweather doesn't give him respect and goes after him like he did against Mosley.

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post Apr 18 2012, 07:01 PM
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QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 18 2012, 07:04 PM) *
Damn, Hatton gets no respect, and even less since the Pacman loss. I guess it's easy to break-down his wins as bad ones, you can do that with any fighter (Bhop, Floyd, Zaghe, etc.)

Hatton was a very underrated champ. Nobody on Cotto's resume is better than Kostya. Cotto struggled with Malignaggi. Hatton outboxed him and had him stopped. Hatton's got two losses in two fights he wasn't supposed to win and went up in weight and fought a big Collazo, it was a close fight if anybody should've won it, it was Collazo but he was still game and aggressive as always.

Cotto on the other hand, the more I think about it, the less confident I am in his supposed "tool box"
Guy got beat by Margarito bad, he should've lost to Clottey where Clottey just tore his face out with clean punching, Pacman destroyed him. Struggled against Malignaggi, Ndou late, Mosley late rounds, that little Colombian landed 100 flush punches to his face for a round and a half. Besides Cotto's character was softer than Hatton's. He quits or gives up when shit isn't going his way. Hatton will do the opposite.

I am not fooled by Cotto's last fight. Cotto held more and Margarito had his eye messed up. Margarito was getting to Cotto late again and they stopped it. Margarito with a healthy eye stops Cotto the same way he did the first time.

This should be a wash. I hope Mayweather doesn't give him respect and goes after him like he did against Mosley.

I wouldn't say that Hatton doesn't get any respect...that would be a stretch....but an underrated champ?!...I doubt it. If anything, he was overrated with sub par competition and was another victim of being a "built up" fighter to beat the best.

His victories aren't in vain, but some people put a bit too much mustard on those victories over fighters that he fought on their way out of the sport. The Tzsyu and Castillo fights were "the fights" that the media used to convince the world that he was ready for world class competition.

Why, oh why? Sadly, he started to show signs of not being able to hang with decent/great boxers when he stepped in the ring with Collazo.

Im questioning how you could say that nobody on Cotto's resume is better than Kosta Tzsyu on Ricky's record, unless you're talking about his record at 140 lbs, even then, you're still off a bit. Let's get this straight, Kosta Tzsyu was at the end of his career, period. Cotto fought the likes of Corley, Bailey, an UNDEFEATED Malignaggi, and L. N'dou.

Most of the guys on Cotto's resume at 140 would've given Hatton the fight of his life. Oh yeah, let's keep these resumes strictly at 140 lbs, because Hatton's two assed-out loses to the highest rated fighters at WW, compare nothing to the remainder of guys that Cotto fought at WW (Quitana, Mosley, Clottey, Gomez, Judah, Margarito).

Of course they're the two biggest names to ever have on your resume, but moving up in weight to get your ass kicked, and moving back down to get knocked into Neverland like Hatton did, is only noteworthy when you're not on the receiving end of the highlight reel. Other than that, it was a sad sight to see, and nice money in his pocket (if he hasn't sniffed it all away by now).

Those fights made FMJ and Pac bigger stars, and made Hatton look like a naive college girl getting passed around after a long night of binge drinking with the frat boys.

How did Cotto struggle with Paulie when he made him look like he was cheeking a golf ball sized jawbreaker? I may have to go back and watch it, if you're insisting that Paulie somewhat exposed Cotto's boxing deficiency (if that's the case).

Hatton did nothing with Paulie but maul, lunge, clinch, etc. He showed some boxing skills in that fight, but seriously, he used those same ate-up Ricky tricks overall.
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- pesticid   Ricky Hatton vs Mayweather   Apr 17 2012, 11:17 AM
- - mitukczuk   I always say Hatton was the only one with whom Flo...   Apr 17 2012, 11:47 AM
- - pesticid   Hatton was on fire that night, too bad Cortez allo...   Apr 17 2012, 12:04 PM
- - daprofessor   outside of bull rushing...hatton did very little. ...   Apr 17 2012, 12:32 PM
|- - pesticid   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 17 2012, 01:32 P...   Apr 17 2012, 12:46 PM
|- - BoxingFan86   QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 17 2012, 01:46 PM) ...   Apr 17 2012, 01:29 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 17 2012, 01:46 PM) ...   Apr 17 2012, 04:05 PM
|- - pesticid   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 17 2012, 05:05 P...   Apr 17 2012, 07:54 PM
- - BoxingFan86   QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 17 2012, 12:17 PM) ...   Apr 17 2012, 12:57 PM
|- - pesticid   QUOTE (BoxingFan86 @ Apr 17 2012, 01:57 P...   Apr 17 2012, 01:03 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (BoxingFan86 @ Apr 17 2012, 01:57 P...   Apr 17 2012, 04:06 PM
- - pesticid   Yeah and Ricky had a good resume at junior WW too....   Apr 17 2012, 01:38 PM
- - neophyte7   I recall many people picking Hatton to rough up ma...   Apr 17 2012, 02:51 PM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Apr 17 2012, 03:51 PM)...   Apr 17 2012, 05:23 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 17 2012, 06:23 PM) W...   Apr 17 2012, 05:31 PM
|- - pesticid   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 17 2012, 06:31 P...   Apr 17 2012, 07:57 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 17 2012, 08:57 PM) ...   Apr 18 2012, 01:34 PM
|- - pesticid   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 18 2012, 02:34 P...   Apr 18 2012, 01:55 PM
||- - daprofessor   QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 18 2012, 02:55 PM) ...   Apr 18 2012, 04:13 PM
|- - pesticid   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 18 2012, 02:34 P...   Apr 20 2012, 08:10 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 20 2012, 09:10 PM) ...   Apr 23 2012, 12:24 PM
- - flazi   i disagree with the cotto having a bigger bag of t...   Apr 17 2012, 04:21 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (flazi @ Apr 17 2012, 05:21 PM) i d...   Apr 17 2012, 04:27 PM
- - flazi   You are right, cotto is more capable, he is much m...   Apr 17 2012, 04:35 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (flazi @ Apr 17 2012, 05:35 PM) You...   Apr 17 2012, 05:29 PM
- - leonthegee   After Floyd walks through Cotto youll be saying Co...   Apr 17 2012, 04:58 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (leonthegee @ Apr 17 2012, 05:58 PM...   Apr 17 2012, 05:30 PM
- - mgrover   there was only one thing that stunned Hatton and l...   Apr 17 2012, 06:31 PM
- - BoxingEinstein   Floyd was brilliant in that Hatton fight. I for on...   Apr 17 2012, 07:16 PM
- - Cshel86   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 17 2012, 06:30 P...   Apr 17 2012, 08:53 PM
|- - pesticid   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 17 2012, 09:53 PM) H...   Apr 18 2012, 06:58 AM
||- - Slumpage   QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 18 2012, 07:58 AM) ...   Apr 18 2012, 07:11 AM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 17 2012, 09:53 PM) P...   Apr 18 2012, 01:49 PM
- - checkleft   I never thought 147 was a good weight for hatton e...   Apr 17 2012, 10:45 PM
- - bnoles4life   Anyone remember the Jesus Chavez fight? Floyd defi...   Apr 18 2012, 06:13 AM
- - bnoles4life   As far as Cotto, his MAJOR obstacle is fuel effici...   Apr 18 2012, 06:16 AM
- - bnoles4life   Oh yeah, thought about this the other day. Define...   Apr 18 2012, 06:30 AM
|- - Slumpage   QUOTE (bnoles4life @ Apr 18 2012, 07:30 A...   Apr 18 2012, 06:53 AM
|- - bnoles4life   QUOTE (Slumpage @ Apr 18 2012, 06:53 AM) ...   Apr 18 2012, 09:24 AM
- - Allmenjoi8   QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 17 2012, 11:17 AM) ...   Apr 18 2012, 09:47 AM
- - sduck   This how I scored the fight Mayweather - 1, (2), ...   Apr 18 2012, 12:46 PM
- - Franchize   The Hatton victory was one of Floyd's most imp...   Apr 18 2012, 01:11 PM
- - Cshel86   QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 18 2012, 07:58 AM) ...   Apr 18 2012, 02:48 PM
|- - BoxingFan86   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 18 2012, 03:48 PM) W...   Apr 18 2012, 02:59 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 18 2012, 03:48 PM) W...   Apr 18 2012, 04:16 PM
|- - Slumpage   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 18 2012, 03:48 PM) W...   Apr 19 2012, 07:03 AM
|- - pesticid   QUOTE (Slumpage @ Apr 19 2012, 08:03 AM) ...   Apr 19 2012, 07:34 AM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (Slumpage @ Apr 19 2012, 08:03 AM) ...   Apr 19 2012, 08:13 AM
- - flazi   shit i remember that fight. It was at some insane...   Apr 18 2012, 05:13 PM
- - pesticid   Damn, Hatton gets no respect, and even less since ...   Apr 18 2012, 06:04 PM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 18 2012, 07:04 PM) ...   Apr 18 2012, 07:01 PM
- - checkleft   Hatton would have gotten sparked by zab and even w...   Apr 18 2012, 08:51 PM
|- - pesticid   QUOTE (checkleft @ Apr 18 2012, 09:51 PM)...   Apr 18 2012, 09:02 PM
- - pesticid   Hatton's resume at 140 is better than Cotto...   Apr 18 2012, 08:59 PM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 18 2012, 09:59 PM) ...   Apr 18 2012, 09:36 PM
|- - pesticid   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 18 2012, 10:36 PM) I...   Apr 18 2012, 09:49 PM
- - checkleft   Hatton was too small for 147. I maintain that, but...   Apr 18 2012, 09:08 PM
|- - pesticid   QUOTE (checkleft @ Apr 18 2012, 10:08 PM)...   Apr 18 2012, 09:13 PM
- - pesticid   So Hatton's names at 140 Kostya Urango Vince ...   Apr 18 2012, 09:10 PM
- - pesticid   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9jk2U8FFtM...featu...   Apr 18 2012, 09:20 PM
- - Cshel86   So Hatton's names at 140 Kostya - retired Ura...   Apr 18 2012, 09:53 PM
|- - pesticid   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 18 2012, 10:53 PM) S...   Apr 19 2012, 07:49 AM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 19 2012, 08:49 AM) ...   Apr 19 2012, 08:51 AM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 18 2012, 09:13 PM) ...   Apr 18 2012, 10:09 PM
|- - bnoles4life   QUOTE (checkleft @ Apr 18 2012, 10:09 PM)...   Apr 19 2012, 07:14 AM
|- - Slumpage   QUOTE (bnoles4life @ Apr 19 2012, 08:14 A...   Apr 19 2012, 07:36 AM
- - pesticid   Nobody is making Hatton to be this great fighter. ...   Apr 19 2012, 09:47 AM
- - neophyte7   Calzaghe landed a handful of clean punches the who...   Apr 19 2012, 10:01 AM
|- - pesticid   QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Apr 19 2012, 11:01 AM)...   Apr 19 2012, 10:07 AM
|- - pesticid   QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Apr 19 2012, 11:01 AM)...   Apr 19 2012, 10:15 AM
|- - pesticid   QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Apr 19 2012, 11:01 AM)...   Apr 20 2012, 08:49 PM
- - neophyte7   I agree..I see no way he stops Floyd from tearing ...   Apr 19 2012, 10:15 AM
|- - pesticid   QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Apr 19 2012, 11:15 AM)...   Apr 19 2012, 10:17 AM
- - neophyte7   Cotto may in fact get gatti treatment by round 8--...   Apr 19 2012, 10:18 AM
|- - pesticid   QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Apr 19 2012, 11:18 AM)...   Apr 19 2012, 10:23 AM
- - neophyte7   LMAO.. Carl Froch said Hopkins won.. is he a Hopki...   Apr 19 2012, 10:30 AM
- - MaxPayne   I don't think Cotto is quite there to be hit t...   Apr 19 2012, 11:24 AM
- - Cshel86   QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 19 2012, 10:47 AM) ...   Apr 19 2012, 11:47 AM
|- - pesticid   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 19 2012, 12:47 PM) H...   Apr 19 2012, 02:47 PM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 19 2012, 03:47 PM) ...   Apr 19 2012, 03:46 PM
|- - pesticid   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 19 2012, 04:46 PM) W...   Apr 20 2012, 08:47 PM
- - mgrover   zaghe lost the match so damn clearly.   Apr 19 2012, 02:59 PM
- - daprofessor   cotto's win over shane mosley trumps everythin...   Apr 20 2012, 02:31 AM
|- - pesticid   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 20 2012, 03:31 A...   Apr 20 2012, 08:24 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 20 2012, 09:24 PM) ...   Apr 23 2012, 12:27 PM
|- - pesticid   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 23 2012, 01:27 P...   Apr 25 2012, 07:33 AM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 20 2012, 02:31 A...   Apr 20 2012, 12:28 PM
- - MaxPayne   I think Joe Calzhage was a fundamentally sound box...   Apr 20 2012, 02:58 PM
|- - pesticid   QUOTE (MaxPayne @ Apr 20 2012, 03:58 PM) ...   Apr 20 2012, 08:16 PM
- - Cshel86   Pesticid...as convincingly annoying as you can be ...   Apr 20 2012, 08:41 PM
- - pesticid   I am bored... Mosley is a B+ Hatton is a B Paulie...   Apr 20 2012, 09:00 PM
- - Cshel86   Dude, are you watching any boxing this evening?   Apr 20 2012, 09:02 PM
- - pesticid   No boxing on TV or stream, it's raining and I ...   Apr 20 2012, 09:05 PM


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