Apr 17 2012, 11:17 AM
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but for the first 4,5 round he had Floyd in very uncomfortable situations even though Floyd was most likely winning most of the rounds. I think Floyd and Castillo pressured Floyd the best. What are your thoughts? Do you think anyone else not named Castillo and Hatton can make things uncomfortable for Floyd. I just don't see Cotto doing it cause he doesn't have Hatton's fire and energy nor Castillo's chin and resiliance but is anybody else there that can make Floyd feel that uncomfortable. I thought hatton in the first half of the fight had Floyd feeling less at easte than in his fight against DLH.
I don't think Pacman is the man because he is an in and out, jump in get out type of a fighter. He doesn't really cut off the ring and bullies you to the ropes. This is the only strategy that could work against Floyd and to my memory only Castillo and Hatton had success where one could argue that Castillo won the first fight, yet he clearly lost the second one against FM. |
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Apr 18 2012, 08:59 PM
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Hatton's resume at 140 is better than Cotto's at 140. Hatton beats down Corley, Bailey and N'Dou. They are tailor made for him. Cotto was running away from Ndou even though he broke Ndou's rib.
Tzsuy wasn't past his prime, I have no idea where you get this. You can't support this with any facts. You list Cotto's win over Malignaggi, which was a competitive fight in which Paulie connected more than a few times and even had Cotto stumbling from a shot or was it a few times that Cotto stumbled. Yet you discredit Hatton's complete domination of Paulie. In that fight it was Paulie who clinched and held cause he was being badly outboxed and hurt. Hatton didn't need to clinch in this fight, he wasn't fighting a strong Urango. Hatton gave Malignaggi a whooping which took a lot of Paulie's confidence away. His first stoppage. He came out of the Cotto fight as a better fighter but he left as a much worse fighter after what Hatton did to him. He moved up to fight Collazo and while he may have been awarded a gift it was a very competitive fight where Collazo came on strong late in the fight. Hatton's frame isn't build for 147, yet he went ahead with an unheralded Collazo and bullied him with his t-rex arms. Fought Mayweather at the same weight even though it's not his best weight. But back to 140, Cotto would get bulldozed by Hatton at 140. Cotto doesn't like pressure. Mosley, N'dou, Margarito and nobody brought pressure like Hatton. Hatton before the Mayweather fight tears up Cotto at 140. He had beat an elite fighter, stopped the lineal champ. Cotto never beat anybody like that. He beat a past it Mosley at 147 and that's his biggest victory to date but he doesn't beat Hatton at 140. |
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Apr 18 2012, 09:36 PM
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Hatton's resume at 140 is better than Cotto's at 140. Hatton beats down Corley, Bailey and N'Dou. They are tailor made for him. Cotto was running away from Ndou even though he broke Ndou's rib. Tzsuy wasn't past his prime, I have no idea where you get this. You can't support this with any facts. You list Cotto's win over Malignaggi, which was a competitive fight in which Paulie connected more than a few times and even had Cotto stumbling from a shot or was it a few times that Cotto stumbled. Yet you discredit Hatton's complete domination of Paulie. In that fight it was Paulie who clinched and held cause he was being badly outboxed and hurt. Hatton didn't need to clinch in this fight, he wasn't fighting a strong Urango. Hatton gave Malignaggi a whooping which took a lot of Paulie's confidence away. His first stoppage. He came out of the Cotto fight as a better fighter but he left as a much worse fighter after what Hatton did to him. He moved up to fight Collazo and while he may have been awarded a gift it was a very competitive fight where Collazo came on strong late in the fight. Hatton's frame isn't build for 147, yet he went ahead with an unheralded Collazo and bullied him with his t-rex arms. Fought Mayweather at the same weight even though it's not his best weight. But back to 140, Cotto would get bulldozed by Hatton at 140. Cotto doesn't like pressure. Mosley, N'dou, Margarito and nobody brought pressure like Hatton. Hatton before the Mayweather fight tears up Cotto at 140. He had beat an elite fighter, stopped the lineal champ. Cotto never beat anybody like that. He beat a past it Mosley at 147 and that's his biggest victory to date but he doesn't beat Hatton at 140. It's obvious that you're in favor of Hatton, regardless of what happens. Tzsyu was older but had only lost one fight, so that may be your argument as far as him not being over the hill. If he wasn't shot (like I said), then what was he? Are you saying that Tzsyu was in his prime when he fought Hatton? If so, then we can go ahead and end the debate now. Fact is, he was only fighting once a year after 2001, which classified him as somewhat inactive, which wasn't a good thing for his age at then time. Fighting an undefeated Paulie and a defeated one, is two different things, and doesn't give Ricky some sort of thumbs up of redemption. Some people would say that Pac's performance against Ricky's was better than Floyd's...yes AND no...that's based on a fan's preference though. One would argue that Hatton wasn't the same after being knocked out by Floyd, and some would argue that Pac would've knocked him out regardless. You are now making excuses about Ricky not carrying the weight well at WW, so again, let's leave Cotto's WW resume out of it...especially since he's had bigger fights at WW than Hatton. We can end it at this point that Im about to bring up, or you can continue to debate (either choice is cool with me)...whose record did them the most favors? Check it out... Miguel Cotto: 32 wins and 2 losses...dealt with his losses and is now en route to the biggest fight of his career Ricky Hatton: 45wins and 2 losses...dealt with his losses in a depressive coke head manner, and never returned to the ring. I would say that Cotto had the better competition overall in his career, and has been in more wars, but still has the better career. Hatton had a padded record with two big losses and went out like a biotch...now we have to see him all fat and shit on tv nowadays. |
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pesticid Ricky Hatton vs Mayweather Apr 17 2012, 11:17 AM
mitukczuk I always say Hatton was the only one with whom Flo... Apr 17 2012, 11:47 AM
pesticid Hatton was on fire that night, too bad Cortez allo... Apr 17 2012, 12:04 PM
daprofessor outside of bull rushing...hatton did very little. ... Apr 17 2012, 12:32 PM
pesticid QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 17 2012, 01:32 P... Apr 17 2012, 12:46 PM
BoxingFan86 QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 17 2012, 01:46 PM) ... Apr 17 2012, 01:29 PM
daprofessor QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 17 2012, 01:46 PM) ... Apr 17 2012, 04:05 PM
pesticid QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 17 2012, 05:05 P... Apr 17 2012, 07:54 PM
BoxingFan86 QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 17 2012, 12:17 PM) ... Apr 17 2012, 12:57 PM
pesticid QUOTE (BoxingFan86 @ Apr 17 2012, 01:57 P... Apr 17 2012, 01:03 PM
daprofessor QUOTE (BoxingFan86 @ Apr 17 2012, 01:57 P... Apr 17 2012, 04:06 PM
pesticid Yeah and Ricky had a good resume at junior WW too.... Apr 17 2012, 01:38 PM
neophyte7 I recall many people picking Hatton to rough up ma... Apr 17 2012, 02:51 PM
Cshel86 QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Apr 17 2012, 03:51 PM)... Apr 17 2012, 05:23 PM
daprofessor QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 17 2012, 06:23 PM) W... Apr 17 2012, 05:31 PM
pesticid QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 17 2012, 06:31 P... Apr 17 2012, 07:57 PM
daprofessor QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 17 2012, 08:57 PM) ... Apr 18 2012, 01:34 PM
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daprofessor QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 18 2012, 02:55 PM) ... Apr 18 2012, 04:13 PM
pesticid QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 18 2012, 02:34 P... Apr 20 2012, 08:10 PM
daprofessor QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 20 2012, 09:10 PM) ... Apr 23 2012, 12:24 PM
flazi i disagree with the cotto having a bigger bag of t... Apr 17 2012, 04:21 PM
daprofessor QUOTE (flazi @ Apr 17 2012, 05:21 PM) i d... Apr 17 2012, 04:27 PM
flazi You are right, cotto is more capable, he is much m... Apr 17 2012, 04:35 PM
daprofessor QUOTE (flazi @ Apr 17 2012, 05:35 PM) You... Apr 17 2012, 05:29 PM
leonthegee After Floyd walks through Cotto youll be saying Co... Apr 17 2012, 04:58 PM
daprofessor QUOTE (leonthegee @ Apr 17 2012, 05:58 PM... Apr 17 2012, 05:30 PM
mgrover there was only one thing that stunned Hatton and l... Apr 17 2012, 06:31 PM
BoxingEinstein Floyd was brilliant in that Hatton fight. I for on... Apr 17 2012, 07:16 PM
Cshel86 QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 17 2012, 06:30 P... Apr 17 2012, 08:53 PM
pesticid QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 17 2012, 09:53 PM) H... Apr 18 2012, 06:58 AM

Slumpage QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 18 2012, 07:58 AM) ... Apr 18 2012, 07:11 AM
daprofessor QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 17 2012, 09:53 PM) P... Apr 18 2012, 01:49 PM
checkleft I never thought 147 was a good weight for hatton e... Apr 17 2012, 10:45 PM
bnoles4life Anyone remember the Jesus Chavez fight? Floyd defi... Apr 18 2012, 06:13 AM
bnoles4life As far as Cotto, his MAJOR obstacle is fuel effici... Apr 18 2012, 06:16 AM
bnoles4life Oh yeah, thought about this the other day. Define... Apr 18 2012, 06:30 AM
Slumpage QUOTE (bnoles4life @ Apr 18 2012, 07:30 A... Apr 18 2012, 06:53 AM
bnoles4life QUOTE (Slumpage @ Apr 18 2012, 06:53 AM) ... Apr 18 2012, 09:24 AM
Allmenjoi8 QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 17 2012, 11:17 AM) ... Apr 18 2012, 09:47 AM
sduck This how I scored the fight
Mayweather - 1, (2), ... Apr 18 2012, 12:46 PM
Franchize The Hatton victory was one of Floyd's most imp... Apr 18 2012, 01:11 PM
Cshel86 QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 18 2012, 07:58 AM) ... Apr 18 2012, 02:48 PM
BoxingFan86 QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 18 2012, 03:48 PM) W... Apr 18 2012, 02:59 PM
daprofessor QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 18 2012, 03:48 PM) W... Apr 18 2012, 04:16 PM
Slumpage QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 18 2012, 03:48 PM) W... Apr 19 2012, 07:03 AM
pesticid QUOTE (Slumpage @ Apr 19 2012, 08:03 AM) ... Apr 19 2012, 07:34 AM
Cshel86 QUOTE (Slumpage @ Apr 19 2012, 08:03 AM) ... Apr 19 2012, 08:13 AM
flazi shit i remember that fight. It was at some insane... Apr 18 2012, 05:13 PM
pesticid Damn, Hatton gets no respect, and even less since ... Apr 18 2012, 06:04 PM
Cshel86 QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 18 2012, 07:04 PM) ... Apr 18 2012, 07:01 PM
checkleft Hatton would have gotten sparked by zab and even w... Apr 18 2012, 08:51 PM
pesticid QUOTE (checkleft @ Apr 18 2012, 09:51 PM)... Apr 18 2012, 09:02 PM
pesticid QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 18 2012, 10:36 PM) I... Apr 18 2012, 09:49 PM
checkleft Hatton was too small for 147. I maintain that, but... Apr 18 2012, 09:08 PM
pesticid QUOTE (checkleft @ Apr 18 2012, 10:08 PM)... Apr 18 2012, 09:13 PM
pesticid So Hatton's names at 140
Kostya
Urango
Vince ... Apr 18 2012, 09:10 PM
pesticid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9jk2U8FFtM...featu... Apr 18 2012, 09:20 PM
Cshel86 So Hatton's names at 140
Kostya - retired
Ura... Apr 18 2012, 09:53 PM
pesticid QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 18 2012, 10:53 PM) S... Apr 19 2012, 07:49 AM
Cshel86 QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 19 2012, 08:49 AM) ... Apr 19 2012, 08:51 AM
checkleft QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 18 2012, 09:13 PM) ... Apr 18 2012, 10:09 PM
bnoles4life QUOTE (checkleft @ Apr 18 2012, 10:09 PM)... Apr 19 2012, 07:14 AM
Slumpage QUOTE (bnoles4life @ Apr 19 2012, 08:14 A... Apr 19 2012, 07:36 AM
pesticid Nobody is making Hatton to be this great fighter. ... Apr 19 2012, 09:47 AM
neophyte7 Calzaghe landed a handful of clean punches the who... Apr 19 2012, 10:01 AM
pesticid QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Apr 19 2012, 11:01 AM)... Apr 19 2012, 10:07 AM
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neophyte7 I agree..I see no way he stops Floyd from tearing ... Apr 19 2012, 10:15 AM
pesticid QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Apr 19 2012, 11:15 AM)... Apr 19 2012, 10:17 AM
neophyte7 Cotto may in fact get gatti treatment by round 8--... Apr 19 2012, 10:18 AM
pesticid QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Apr 19 2012, 11:18 AM)... Apr 19 2012, 10:23 AM
neophyte7 LMAO.. Carl Froch said Hopkins won.. is he a Hopki... Apr 19 2012, 10:30 AM
MaxPayne I don't think Cotto is quite there to be hit t... Apr 19 2012, 11:24 AM
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mgrover zaghe lost the match so damn clearly. Apr 19 2012, 02:59 PM
daprofessor cotto's win over shane mosley trumps everythin... Apr 20 2012, 02:31 AM
pesticid QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 20 2012, 03:31 A... Apr 20 2012, 08:24 PM
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checkleft QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 20 2012, 02:31 A... Apr 20 2012, 12:28 PM
MaxPayne I think Joe Calzhage was a fundamentally sound box... Apr 20 2012, 02:58 PM
pesticid QUOTE (MaxPayne @ Apr 20 2012, 03:58 PM) ... Apr 20 2012, 08:16 PM
Cshel86 Pesticid...as convincingly annoying as you can be ... Apr 20 2012, 08:41 PM
pesticid I am bored...
Mosley is a B+
Hatton is a B
Paulie... Apr 20 2012, 09:00 PM
Cshel86 Dude, are you watching any boxing this evening? Apr 20 2012, 09:02 PM
pesticid No boxing on TV or stream, it's raining and I ... Apr 20 2012, 09:05 PM![]() ![]() |
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