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[pesticid]

but for the first 4,5 round he had Floyd in very uncomfortable situations even though Floyd was most likely winning most of the rounds. I think Floyd and Castillo pressured Floyd the best. What are your thoughts? Do you think anyone else not named Castillo and Hatton can make things uncomfortable for Floyd. I just don't see Cotto doing it cause he doesn't have Hatton's fire and energy nor Castillo's chin and resiliance but is anybody else there that can make Floyd feel that uncomfortable. I thought hatton in the first half of the fight had Floyd feeling less at easte than in his fight against DLH.

I don't think Pacman is the man because he is an in and out, jump in get out type of a fighter. He doesn't really cut off the ring and bullies you to the ropes. This is the only strategy that could work against Floyd and to my memory only Castillo and Hatton had success where one could argue that Castillo won the first fight, yet he clearly lost the second one against FM.

[Cshel86]

Hatton made Kostya retire when nobody gave him much of a chance of winning. What is Cotto's best win at 140? Exactly!

Wasn't Tzsyu at the end of his rope? I guess the better question here is, who had the better competition at 140?

Hatton beat "the man" of the div, Cotto never did, he was just defending his 140 WBO strap whilst Bob built his name before moving up to 147lb...

C'mon Slump, PLEASE dont tell me that you're referring to Manny Pacquiao as "the man" of the division (140) when ricky fought him. If so...well, I hate to break it to ya, but Manny wasn't "the man" of the division, sorry.

No way in the world he could be the man of the division, when he only fought there once, and never fought there again. Again, I hope you're referring to Pacquiao as the man the 140 lb divsion...hopefully I read that wrong.

Ricky was on queer st just as much as Floyd was against Mosley.

The counter question for this would be, who finished the round in a better fashion while on queer street, Floyd or Ricky? Last time I checked, Ricky took that "tebow knee" that wasn't rule a knockdown for some reason.

Floyd on the other hand, damn near did a Rapper's Delight dip when his knees buckled, but I dont remember him taking the "knee of refuge" like Ricky.

[Slumpage]

Wasn't Tzsyu at the end of his rope? I guess the better question here is, who had the better competition at 140?


C'mon Slump, PLEASE dont tell me that you're referring to Manny Pacquiao as "the man" of the division (140) when ricky fought him. If so...well, I hate to break it to ya, but Manny wasn't "the man" of the division, sorry.

No way in the world he could be the man of the division, when he only fought there once, and never fought there again. Again, I hope you're referring to Pacquiao as the man the 140 lb divsion...hopefully I read that wrong.


The counter question for this would be, who finished the round in a better fashion while on queer street, Floyd or Ricky? Last time I checked, Ricky took that "tebow knee" that wasn't rule a knockdown for some reason.

Floyd on the other hand, damn near did a Rapper's Delight dip when his knees buckled, but I dont remember him taking the "knee of refuge" like Ricky.

Yeah you did... I was referring to hatton vs tszyu, Kosta was the "man of the Div" at the time and the lineal champ, Hatton beat him. Can say that he was at the end of his career etc, but a few other fighters tried to retire him and failed, Ricky took everything he had and made him quit. My point was that at 140lb, Cotto didn't achieve anything on that level. Maybe i'm putting too much stock into that signature win for Hatton, but that win made him the Ring champ, and thus "the man". Cotto never made that distinction at 140lb to my knowledge.

Vince Phillips was the only other guy to have beaten Tszyu btw, stopped him in the 10th according to Boxrec, So Hatton having his name on his resume is impressive, regardless of what the dude is doing now, back then he was doing alright.

On the question of Kosta's "prime" status, well he did beat Sharmba Mitchell inside 3 rounds, which was about a year before floyd fought Mitchell, however there was a big period of inactivity before his fight with Hatton, so i hear your argument to some extent. I think he was def at the end of his career and not in his prime, but nowhere near shot or anything.

Manny as the man of a div?? In my opinion you have to be fighting guys at the weight limit to even be in the conversation for divisional supremacy. Manny's been making a habit of avoiding doing that lately, lol!

This post has been edited by Slumpage: Apr 19 2012, 07:07 AM

[pesticid]

Yeah you did... I was referring to hatton vs tszyu, Kosta was the "man of the Div" at the time and the lineal champ, Hatton beat him. Can say that he was at the end of his career etc, but a few other fighters tried to retire him and failed, Ricky took everything he had and made him quit. My point was that at 140lb, Cotto didn't achieve anything on that level. Maybe i'm putting too much stock into that signature win for Hatton, but that win made him the Ring champ, and thus "the man". Cotto never made that distinction at 140lb to my knowledge.

Vince Phillips was the only other guy to have beaten Tszyu btw, stopped him in the 10th according to Boxrec, So Hatton having his name on his resume is impressive, regardless of what the dude is doing now, back then he was doing alright.

On the question of Kosta's "prime" status, well he did beat Sharmba Mitchell inside 3 rounds, which was about a year before floyd fought Mitchell, however there was a big period of inactivity before his fight with Hatton, so i hear your argument to some extent. I think he was def at the end of his career and not in his prime, but nowhere near shot or anything.

Manny as the man of a div?? In my opinion you have to be fighting guys at the weight limit to even be in the conversation for divisional supremacy. Manny's been making a habit of avoiding doing that lately, lol!

Thank you for this! Yet people are saying that he was lucky he didn't face guys like Corley and Zab, this is a joke right? He faced a guy that cut the lights out on Zab and made him quit.
I don't know if Kostya was past his prime just like I don't know if Floyd now is past his prime now. There was nothing to indicate that Kostya was past it, not the youngest but can you say right now that Floyd is past his prime? What would the argument be, he got hit by Mosley?