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pesticid
post Apr 17 2012, 11:17 AM
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but for the first 4,5 round he had Floyd in very uncomfortable situations even though Floyd was most likely winning most of the rounds. I think Floyd and Castillo pressured Floyd the best. What are your thoughts? Do you think anyone else not named Castillo and Hatton can make things uncomfortable for Floyd. I just don't see Cotto doing it cause he doesn't have Hatton's fire and energy nor Castillo's chin and resiliance but is anybody else there that can make Floyd feel that uncomfortable. I thought hatton in the first half of the fight had Floyd feeling less at easte than in his fight against DLH.

I don't think Pacman is the man because he is an in and out, jump in get out type of a fighter. He doesn't really cut off the ring and bullies you to the ropes. This is the only strategy that could work against Floyd and to my memory only Castillo and Hatton had success where one could argue that Castillo won the first fight, yet he clearly lost the second one against FM.
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QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 18 2012, 07:58 AM) *
Hatton made Kostya retire when nobody gave him much of a chance of winning. What is Cotto's best win at 140? Exactly!

Wasn't Tzsyu at the end of his rope? I guess the better question here is, who had the better competition at 140?

QUOTE (Slumpage @ Apr 18 2012, 08:11 AM) *
Hatton beat "the man" of the div, Cotto never did, he was just defending his 140 WBO strap whilst Bob built his name before moving up to 147lb...

C'mon Slump, PLEASE dont tell me that you're referring to Manny Pacquiao as "the man" of the division (140) when ricky fought him. If so...well, I hate to break it to ya, but Manny wasn't "the man" of the division, sorry.

No way in the world he could be the man of the division, when he only fought there once, and never fought there again. Again, I hope you're referring to Pacquiao as the man the 140 lb divsion...hopefully I read that wrong.

QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 18 2012, 02:55 PM) *
Ricky was on queer st just as much as Floyd was against Mosley.

The counter question for this would be, who finished the round in a better fashion while on queer street, Floyd or Ricky? Last time I checked, Ricky took that "tebow knee" that wasn't rule a knockdown for some reason.

Floyd on the other hand, damn near did a Rapper's Delight dip when his knees buckled, but I dont remember him taking the "knee of refuge" like Ricky.
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post Apr 19 2012, 07:03 AM
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QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 18 2012, 03:48 PM) *
Wasn't Tzsyu at the end of his rope? I guess the better question here is, who had the better competition at 140?


C'mon Slump, PLEASE dont tell me that you're referring to Manny Pacquiao as "the man" of the division (140) when ricky fought him. If so...well, I hate to break it to ya, but Manny wasn't "the man" of the division, sorry.

No way in the world he could be the man of the division, when he only fought there once, and never fought there again. Again, I hope you're referring to Pacquiao as the man the 140 lb divsion...hopefully I read that wrong.


The counter question for this would be, who finished the round in a better fashion while on queer street, Floyd or Ricky? Last time I checked, Ricky took that "tebow knee" that wasn't rule a knockdown for some reason.

Floyd on the other hand, damn near did a Rapper's Delight dip when his knees buckled, but I dont remember him taking the "knee of refuge" like Ricky.


Yeah you did... I was referring to hatton vs tszyu, Kosta was the "man of the Div" at the time and the lineal champ, Hatton beat him. Can say that he was at the end of his career etc, but a few other fighters tried to retire him and failed, Ricky took everything he had and made him quit. My point was that at 140lb, Cotto didn't achieve anything on that level. Maybe i'm putting too much stock into that signature win for Hatton, but that win made him the Ring champ, and thus "the man". Cotto never made that distinction at 140lb to my knowledge.

Vince Phillips was the only other guy to have beaten Tszyu btw, stopped him in the 10th according to Boxrec, So Hatton having his name on his resume is impressive, regardless of what the dude is doing now, back then he was doing alright.

On the question of Kosta's "prime" status, well he did beat Sharmba Mitchell inside 3 rounds, which was about a year before floyd fought Mitchell, however there was a big period of inactivity before his fight with Hatton, so i hear your argument to some extent. I think he was def at the end of his career and not in his prime, but nowhere near shot or anything.

Manny as the man of a div?? In my opinion you have to be fighting guys at the weight limit to even be in the conversation for divisional supremacy. Manny's been making a habit of avoiding doing that lately, lol!

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QUOTE (Slumpage @ Apr 19 2012, 08:03 AM) *
Yeah you did... I was referring to hatton vs tszyu, Kosta was the "man of the Div" at the time and the lineal champ, Hatton beat him. Can say that he was at the end of his career etc, but a few other fighters tried to retire him and failed, Ricky took everything he had and made him quit. My point was that at 140lb, Cotto didn't achieve anything on that level. Maybe i'm putting too much stock into that signature win for Hatton, but that win made him the Ring champ, and thus "the man". Cotto never made that distinction at 140lb to my knowledge.

Vince Phillips was the only other guy to have beaten Tszyu btw, stopped him in the 10th according to Boxrec, So Hatton having his name on his resume is impressive, regardless of what the dude is doing now, back then he was doing alright.

On the question of Kosta's "prime" status, well he did beat Sharmba Mitchell inside 3 rounds, which was about a year before floyd fought Mitchell, however there was a big period of inactivity before his fight with Hatton, so i hear your argument to some extent. I think he was def at the end of his career and not in his prime, but nowhere near shot or anything.

Manny as the man of a div?? In my opinion you have to be fighting guys at the weight limit to even be in the conversation for divisional supremacy. Manny's been making a habit of avoiding doing that lately, lol!

My apologies about reading it wrong, and thats the first time in a while that I felt good about being wrong. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I agree that Cotto didn't achieve as much as Hatton did at 140, but Cotto fought opposition that actually tested him. Hatton fought guys that were either past it, or they weren't used to being mauled to death.

I think we are putting a bit too much stock into Hatton, and I would say the same about any Calazghe fan running around saying that he was the best fighter at 168 and 175. Hatton's past opponents were boosted up as big wins, because fans and the media wanted him to fight in the states, period. Was he a crowd pleasing fighter? Hell yeah! That's about it though.

Im a bit hard pressed to say that Vince Phillips was a big name on Ricky's record, just because he was the only guy to knock out Tszyu before Hatton stopped him. We have to take into consideration that Phillips knocked Tszyu out in '97, and Hatton fought Phillips in 2003...6 years later when he was 39 or 40 years old.

Now, if Phillips was in the same boat as Hopkins, Marquez, and Mosley, who are still either winning big fights or still involved in big fights, then I would give Ricky the benefit of having Phillips on his record.

Hatton's a 'B' fighter (at best), but dude had a crazy fan base, and I definitely wouldn't mind seeing him in a big fight in the states again...that's if he can get off his ass and leave the coke (not the soda) alone.
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- pesticid   Ricky Hatton vs Mayweather   Apr 17 2012, 11:17 AM
- - mitukczuk   I always say Hatton was the only one with whom Flo...   Apr 17 2012, 11:47 AM
- - pesticid   Hatton was on fire that night, too bad Cortez allo...   Apr 17 2012, 12:04 PM
- - daprofessor   outside of bull rushing...hatton did very little. ...   Apr 17 2012, 12:32 PM
|- - pesticid   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 17 2012, 01:32 P...   Apr 17 2012, 12:46 PM
|- - BoxingFan86   QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 17 2012, 01:46 PM) ...   Apr 17 2012, 01:29 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 17 2012, 01:46 PM) ...   Apr 17 2012, 04:05 PM
|- - pesticid   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 17 2012, 05:05 P...   Apr 17 2012, 07:54 PM
- - BoxingFan86   QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 17 2012, 12:17 PM) ...   Apr 17 2012, 12:57 PM
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|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (BoxingFan86 @ Apr 17 2012, 01:57 P...   Apr 17 2012, 04:06 PM
- - pesticid   Yeah and Ricky had a good resume at junior WW too....   Apr 17 2012, 01:38 PM
- - neophyte7   I recall many people picking Hatton to rough up ma...   Apr 17 2012, 02:51 PM
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|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 17 2012, 06:23 PM) W...   Apr 17 2012, 05:31 PM
|- - pesticid   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 17 2012, 06:31 P...   Apr 17 2012, 07:57 PM
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|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (flazi @ Apr 17 2012, 05:21 PM) i d...   Apr 17 2012, 04:27 PM
- - flazi   You are right, cotto is more capable, he is much m...   Apr 17 2012, 04:35 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (flazi @ Apr 17 2012, 05:35 PM) You...   Apr 17 2012, 05:29 PM
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- - bnoles4life   As far as Cotto, his MAJOR obstacle is fuel effici...   Apr 18 2012, 06:16 AM
- - bnoles4life   Oh yeah, thought about this the other day. Define...   Apr 18 2012, 06:30 AM
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|- - bnoles4life   QUOTE (Slumpage @ Apr 18 2012, 06:53 AM) ...   Apr 18 2012, 09:24 AM
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- - sduck   This how I scored the fight Mayweather - 1, (2), ...   Apr 18 2012, 12:46 PM
- - Franchize   The Hatton victory was one of Floyd's most imp...   Apr 18 2012, 01:11 PM
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|- - pesticid   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 18 2012, 10:36 PM) I...   Apr 18 2012, 09:49 PM
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- - Cshel86   Dude, are you watching any boxing this evening?   Apr 20 2012, 09:02 PM
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