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daprofessor
post May 7 2012, 06:28 PM
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i get the feeling pac/may ain't happening once bradley demolishes pac. i don't think arum will match timmy with floyd either. i think may/canelo should be his last fight and i also believe martinez is too big for floyd. so who's that leave? i'd like to see the rematch. their styles will always make for a great match up. they should do this before the year is over. i'm sure they did great numbers...and will do well in a rematch. anyone else interested besides me? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

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post May 20 2012, 08:10 PM
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watched the fight again....i get why some would call that fight a draw. i also feel it was much closer than cotto was given credit for. i counted punches in some of the rounds to see how accurate compu-box really is...and i must say that they are truly full of shit and a tool for hbo's spin. in a round where cotto was only given credit for landing 4 shots...i counted 20-25 shots that landed cleanly on the body or head. mayweathers numbers were inflated as well. lampley, merchant and steward have no dignity or shame and are very full of shit. hbo is in the business of manufacturing champions. boxing is at its' best when u let the chips fall where they may. i enjoy hbo fights much more with the volume down. i know what it is i am seeing...i don't need some bullshit talking heads with an agenda to tell me what i am seeing. FUCK U HBO!!!

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post May 20 2012, 10:07 PM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 20 2012, 09:10 PM) *
watched the fight again....i get why some would call that fight a draw. i also feel it was much closer than cotto was given credit for.o tell me what i am seeing.

Anybody that had the nerve to call this fight a draw, obviously knows nothing about boxing and need their eyes checked. Cotto just did better than what everybody expected, but for people to even consider the fight close or a draw, should be ashamed of themselves.

When I was watching it drunk, I thought the fight a bit close. Mind you...I was DRUNK. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) After getting my faculties in order and watching it again, I only gave Miguel 2 rounds...and the rounds that he did win, were close rounds.

I agree that he landed more shots than IncompetentBox recorded, but again, that scoring system is all jacked anyway.
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post May 21 2012, 01:38 PM
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QUOTE (Cshel86 @ May 20 2012, 11:07 PM) *
Anybody that had the nerve to call this fight a draw, obviously knows nothing about boxing and need their eyes checked. Cotto just did better than what everybody expected, but for people to even consider the fight close or a draw, should be ashamed of themselves.

When I was watching it drunk, I thought the fight a bit close. Mind you...I was DRUNK. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) After getting my faculties in order and watching it again, I only gave Miguel 2 rounds...and the rounds that he did win, were close rounds.

I agree that he landed more shots than IncompetentBox recorded, but again, that scoring system is all jacked anyway.


i often wonder if the judges are intoxicated during fights. there needs to be sobriety and vision tests given to judges prior to them scoring bouts. i believe it takes a certain level of intelligence and the ability to focus to score a fight. i don't believe most judges have the attention span or understanding necessary to score bouts. i believe that everyone is influenced by jim, larry and manny during the bouts, whether they choose to acknowledge it or not. that includes fans watching...and those sitting ringside. i can't tell u how many times i talk to fans and hear them reiterate some bullshit larry merchant spewed during a fight. i know what it is i am seeing. i don't need a talking head to spin it for me.

there are several factors that go into scoring bouts. clean punching, effective aggressiveness, defense, ring generalship...

most times...judges will score for the aggressor. i don't always agree with that...especially when the aggressor misses a lot of punches. in the case of this bout though, both guys missed plenty of punches. cotto was putting intelligent pressure on floyd and cutting the ring off effectively which ended with floyd on the ropes for the majority of the fight. both had plenty of partially blocked shots...and both landed clean ones. most of cotto's clean shots were to the body but u can't deny that he hit mayweather cleanly to the head more than any of mayweathers previous opponents. floyd landed some good head shots...but his right was partially blocked most times. his left uppercut was the one that started to land towards the end of the bout. the commentary gave cotto very little credit for anything he did. the judges and "incompetent-box" also seemed to do the same. there is no way i can justify only giving cotto two rounds. you are giving him very little credit. i would suggest turning down the volume and score with ur eyes...not ur ears or heart. i gave cotto 5 rounds. it's pointless now...but i should have done a thread where i score it round by round with explanations. it seems to be the norm where ppl just accept injustice. i'm not saying cotto won...but he clearly didn't get the scores he deserved. incompetent scoring is what's bad for the sport and turns fans away. this was not the biggest crime in the sport. bouts like cloud/campillo and lara/williams put this one to shame. watching the bout live...i scored it 8-4 for floyd. watching it a second time i scored it 7-5 for floyd.
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 21 2012, 02:38 PM) *
i often wonder if the judges are intoxicated during fights. there needs to be sobriety and vision tests given to judges prior to them scoring bouts. i believe it takes a certain level of intelligence and the ability to focus to score a fight. i don't believe most judges have the attention span or understanding necessary to score bouts. i believe that everyone is influenced by jim, larry and manny during the bouts, whether they choose to acknowledge it or not. that includes fans watching...and those sitting ringside. i can't tell u how many times i talk to fans and hear them reiterate some bullshit larry merchant spewed during a fight. i know what it is i am seeing. i don't need a talking head to spin it for me.

there are several factors that go into scoring bouts. clean punching, effective aggressiveness, defense, ring generalship...

most times...judges will score for the aggressor. i don't always agree with that...especially when the aggressor misses a lot of punches. in the case of this bout though, both guys missed plenty of punches. cotto was putting intelligent pressure on floyd and cutting the ring off effectively which ended with floyd on the ropes for the majority of the fight. both had plenty of partially blocked shots...and both landed clean ones. most of cotto's clean shots were to the body but u can't deny that he hit mayweather cleanly to the head more than any of mayweathers previous opponents. floyd landed some good head shots...but his right was partially blocked most times. his left uppercut was the one that started to land towards the end of the bout. the commentary gave cotto very little credit for anything he did. the judges and "incompetent-box" also seemed to do the same. there is no way i can justify only giving cotto two rounds. you are giving him very little credit. i would suggest turning down the volume and score with ur eyes...not ur ears or heart. i gave cotto 5 rounds. it's pointless now...but i should have done a thread where i score it round by round with explanations. it seems to be the norm where ppl just accept injustice. i'm not saying cotto won...but he clearly didn't get the scores he deserved. incompetent scoring is what's bad for the sport and turns fans away. this was not the biggest crime in the sport. bouts like cloud/campillo and lara/williams put this one to shame. watching the bout live...i scored it 8-4 for floyd. watching it a second time i scored it 7-5 for floyd.

Yeah judges dont clearly score rounds, and all of that "scoring blood" and "effective aggression" is a bunch of bullshit too. They were giving Manny rounds in his last fight for "effective aggression", but there were several rounds where he couldn't maintain that aggression because he was getting turned and countered. He was so busy trying to prove to the ref that he was headbutted (when his cut occurred), rather than fighting back.

Lederman's card are right just as often as Im right when Im in a drunken argument...hardly ever. As for Cotto winning 5 rounds, I can respectfully agree to disagree. If anything, he won 3 rounds, but to say 4 or 5 is a stretch...he just did better than most expected...which is why I feel he knocked Floyd down a peg.

The fact that Miguel was upset after the fight was a bit baffling...hopefully he was upset about the scores, because he surely cant think that he won that fight. He gave the first few rounds away, and the fact that Floyd was throwing combinations THAT early in a fight is very telling.

I agree with the body shots, but again, it's hard to look good against this guy. You can look good against Manny (as several have proven), but they aren't going to give it to you on the cards for obvious reasons. If you hit Mayweather with a punch that doesn't fold him or snap his head back (which most people's eyes are trained to see since he defends well), then 9 out of 10, they'll chalk it up as your punch being "deflected".

Im not for injustice by any stretch of the imagination, but this is boxing, so there's nothing we can do about it. Hell, Salido was beating the dog shit out of Lopez in the rematch and was about to get robbed if he didn't score the KO. If Cotto knew in his heart that he didn't get the scores that he deserved, then fine...but to walk away pouting as if you won the fight, is plain crazy.
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- daprofessor   mayweather vs cotto 2   May 7 2012, 06:28 PM
- - Hotsauce   i wouldn't mind but not in the immediate futur...   May 7 2012, 06:32 PM
- - bMaK   I wouldn't mind it. Not because it was at all...   May 7 2012, 06:48 PM
- - Cshel86   Wouldn't mind at all. I'll put it this way...   May 7 2012, 07:04 PM
- - p4pcrown   I think Floyd wins a rematch easily. He went into ...   May 7 2012, 07:18 PM
- - JammyJam   I would definitely want to see it, because I think...   May 7 2012, 08:19 PM
- - Run and Gun Game Calls   I dont think this fight makes sence for Floyd. If...   May 7 2012, 08:21 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Run and Gun Game Calls @ May 7 2012, 0...   May 7 2012, 08:30 PM
- - daprofessor   i would love to see the rematch. it was the fight ...   May 7 2012, 08:28 PM
- - Cshel86   QUOTE (Run and Gun Game Calls @ May 7 2012, 0...   May 7 2012, 08:42 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ May 7 2012, 09:42 PM) I ...   May 7 2012, 08:45 PM
- - Run and Gun Game Calls   I still think Floyd would deserve the lions share,...   May 7 2012, 08:46 PM
- - Cshel86   QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 7 2012, 09:45 PM...   May 7 2012, 08:53 PM
- - streetlion1   Mayweather vs Cotto 2 in MSG! Scoring it round...   May 7 2012, 08:57 PM
|- - Hotsauce   QUOTE (streetlion1 @ May 7 2012, 08:57 PM...   May 7 2012, 09:24 PM
|- - Run and Gun Game Calls   QUOTE (streetlion1 @ May 7 2012, 11:57 PM...   May 7 2012, 09:27 PM
- - checkleft   Cotto thought he won?? The fight was great, cott...   May 7 2012, 11:47 PM
- - mrchitown   I'd love to see Mayweather-Cotto 2. I see so m...   May 8 2012, 12:30 AM
|- - BigDDatHomey   QUOTE (mrchitown @ May 8 2012, 01:30 AM) ...   May 8 2012, 01:27 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (BigDDatHomey @ May 8 2012, 01:27 P...   May 8 2012, 07:10 PM
- - daprofessor   MSG!!! that would be perfect for the r...   May 8 2012, 02:07 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 8 2012, 02:07 PM...   May 8 2012, 07:13 PM
- - Cheesey1   I'd watch it if there was nothing else. Fanta...   May 8 2012, 05:59 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Cheesey1 @ May 8 2012, 06:59 PM) I...   May 8 2012, 07:22 PM
|- - Cheesey1   QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 8 2012, 08:22 PM...   May 8 2012, 08:24 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Cheesey1 @ May 8 2012, 09:24 PM) T...   May 8 2012, 08:35 PM
|- - BigDDatHomey   QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 8 2012, 09:35 PM...   May 8 2012, 08:55 PM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (BigDDatHomey @ May 8 2012, 09:55 P...   May 8 2012, 09:01 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (BigDDatHomey @ May 8 2012, 09:55 P...   May 9 2012, 11:50 AM
|- - BigDDatHomey   QUOTE (BigDDatHomey @ May 8 2012, 09:55 P...   May 9 2012, 10:18 PM
- - Run and Gun Game Calls   The second fight would either be better or more bo...   May 8 2012, 06:11 PM
- - BoxingStill#1   If anyone knows Floyed knows he would say "we...   May 9 2012, 01:21 PM
- - Col Reb   I don't feel there is a need for a second figh...   May 9 2012, 05:02 PM
- - sduck   I don't see a reason for a rematch. Cotto did ...   May 10 2012, 07:02 AM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (sduck @ May 10 2012, 08:02 AM) I d...   May 10 2012, 07:44 PM
- - Franchize   Floyd has nothing to gain from a rematch. Cotto wa...   May 10 2012, 08:21 AM
|- - Run and Gun Game Calls   QUOTE (Franchize @ May 10 2012, 12:21 PM)...   May 10 2012, 06:22 PM
||- - Cshel86   QUOTE (Run and Gun Game Calls @ May 10 2012, ...   May 10 2012, 07:40 PM
||- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Run and Gun Game Calls @ May 10 2012, ...   May 10 2012, 08:09 PM
||- - Hotsauce   QUOTE (Run and Gun Game Calls @ May 10 2012, ...   May 10 2012, 10:49 PM
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||- - Franchize   QUOTE (Run and Gun Game Calls @ May 10 2012, ...   May 11 2012, 08:26 AM
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|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Franchize @ May 10 2012, 09:21 AM)...   May 10 2012, 07:50 PM
- - Cshel86   QUOTE (BigDDatHomey @ May 9 2012, 11:18 P...   May 10 2012, 09:57 AM
- - Thickback   I would like to see a rematch even though the resu...   May 10 2012, 03:12 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Thickback @ May 10 2012, 04:12 PM)...   May 10 2012, 08:01 PM
- - Run and Gun Game Calls   you may be correct, the one thing I would say is I...   May 10 2012, 08:36 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Run and Gun Game Calls @ May 10 2012, ...   May 11 2012, 12:05 PM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (Run and Gun Game Calls @ May 10 2012, ...   May 11 2012, 01:28 AM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (checkleft @ May 11 2012, 02:28 AM)...   May 11 2012, 01:09 PM
- - Cshel86   QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 10 2012, 09:09 P...   May 11 2012, 09:35 AM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ May 11 2012, 10:35 AM) I...   May 11 2012, 01:17 PM
- - Cshel86   With all of this said, Cotto is a "lazy welte...   May 11 2012, 09:41 AM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ May 11 2012, 10:41 AM) W...   May 11 2012, 01:22 PM
|- - Run and Gun Game Calls   QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 11 2012, 05:22 P...   May 11 2012, 05:51 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Run and Gun Game Calls @ May 11 2012, ...   May 14 2012, 01:29 PM
- - wolterb   I'd be interested in the rematch only because ...   May 11 2012, 10:27 AM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (wolterb @ May 11 2012, 11:27 AM) I...   May 11 2012, 01:25 PM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ May 11 2012, 09:35 AM) I...   May 11 2012, 12:53 PM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 11 2012, 01:17 P...   May 11 2012, 01:22 PM
- - checkleft   I think I heard it on the mayweather cotto ppv too   May 11 2012, 01:25 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (checkleft @ May 11 2012, 02:25 PM)...   May 11 2012, 01:54 PM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 11 2012, 01:54 P...   May 11 2012, 07:01 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (checkleft @ May 11 2012, 08:01 PM)...   May 14 2012, 01:32 PM
- - mgrover   yes, but this time floyd actually boxes   May 11 2012, 08:32 PM
- - Cshel86   QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 11 2012, 02:17 P...   May 11 2012, 10:14 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ May 11 2012, 11:14 PM) I...   May 14 2012, 01:37 PM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 14 2012, 02:37 P...   May 14 2012, 02:47 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ May 14 2012, 03:47 PM) D...   May 14 2012, 03:29 PM
- - Hotsauce   154 and above uses 10 oz gloves 147 and below use...   May 12 2012, 10:13 PM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (Hotsauce @ May 12 2012, 11:13 PM) ...   May 13 2012, 01:31 PM
|- - Hotsauce   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ May 13 2012, 01:31 PM) 1...   May 13 2012, 06:03 PM
- - axlfoley   Floyd said the last time he used 10 oz gloves befo...   May 13 2012, 05:05 PM
|- - Hotsauce   QUOTE (axlfoley @ May 13 2012, 05:05 PM) ...   May 13 2012, 06:04 PM
- - axlfoley   in Nevada, 8 oz gloves are optional for a fight at...   May 13 2012, 08:52 PM
- - Franchize   10 oz AND they're Grant? No wonder there was n...   May 14 2012, 09:38 AM
- - Run and Gun Game Calls   Dude whats with all of the excuse making coming ou...   May 14 2012, 05:48 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Run and Gun Game Calls @ May 14 2012, ...   May 14 2012, 07:43 PM
- - mrchitown   I don't see it as damage control at all when y...   May 14 2012, 07:30 PM
- - Run and Gun Game Calls   My thing is, Floyd is 35, and if nothing else was ...   May 14 2012, 08:11 PM
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- - daprofessor   watched the fight again....i get why some would ca...   May 20 2012, 08:10 PM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 20 2012, 09:10 P...   May 20 2012, 10:07 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ May 20 2012, 11:07 PM) A...   May 21 2012, 01:38 PM
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|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ May 21 2012, 06:43 PM) Y...   May 21 2012, 05:59 PM
- - mrchitown   Fight wasn't anywhere near a draw. if somebody...   May 20 2012, 10:34 PM
- - Franchize   The rounds Floyd won were clear wins. Cotto only h...   May 21 2012, 08:17 AM
- - sduck   Scoring the fight for the judges would be differen...   May 21 2012, 03:55 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (sduck @ May 21 2012, 04:55 PM) Sco...   May 21 2012, 04:03 PM
- - bnoles4life   I wouldn't want to see it. I mean, why? What ...   May 21 2012, 04:34 PM
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|- - bnoles4life   QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 21 2012, 05:44 P...   May 21 2012, 07:55 PM
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|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (bnoles4life @ May 21 2012, 08:55 P...   May 24 2012, 05:32 PM
- - mgrover   I think cotto left upset because he lost not becau...   May 24 2012, 06:26 PM
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