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daprofessor
post May 14 2012, 07:43 PM
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QUOTE (Run and Gun Game Calls @ May 14 2012, 06:48 PM) *
Dude whats with all of the excuse making coming out of the Mayweather camp? The dude fought a great fight, and for the most part dominated a very game Cotto. Floyd has nothing to be ashamed of.

But all I have heard since the fight are excuses as to why he lost a couple of rounds.

1. He was having hand trouble

2. He was sick

3. He wanted to knock cotto out but decided to stand and fight instead of box.

Cotto did do alot better than I expected, or alot of people expected him to do, But Floyd to his credit sucked it up and outworked and outfought Cotto. The damage control coming out of the May camp seems almost like it was a very close fight or Floyd Lost. The dude got hit a few times, it doesnt diminish what Floyd did at all.

If Floyd does lose a fight I really dread the amount of excuses that will follow if this is an example of what we can expect.

I just dont get the damage control


u know....i can't believe i'm going to say this....but i agree with u.

when u win....there's no need for excuses. i criticized pac for the same thing when he spoke on his leg cramps.

difference here....i had pac winning 4 rounds max. floyd definitely won his fight.
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post May 14 2012, 08:11 PM
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My thing is, Floyd is 35, and if nothing else was wrong...Floyd is 35. Nothing to be ashamed of. He did a great job.
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post May 15 2012, 12:04 AM
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regarding glove size in the state of nevada:
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/ne...tory?id=3365846

http://boxing.nv.gov/Promoter%20Web/PROMLISTWEB.pdf

it's on page 5

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post May 16 2012, 01:56 PM
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QUOTE (axlfoley @ May 15 2012, 01:04 AM) *


good shit. thanks.
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post May 20 2012, 08:10 PM
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watched the fight again....i get why some would call that fight a draw. i also feel it was much closer than cotto was given credit for. i counted punches in some of the rounds to see how accurate compu-box really is...and i must say that they are truly full of shit and a tool for hbo's spin. in a round where cotto was only given credit for landing 4 shots...i counted 20-25 shots that landed cleanly on the body or head. mayweathers numbers were inflated as well. lampley, merchant and steward have no dignity or shame and are very full of shit. hbo is in the business of manufacturing champions. boxing is at its' best when u let the chips fall where they may. i enjoy hbo fights much more with the volume down. i know what it is i am seeing...i don't need some bullshit talking heads with an agenda to tell me what i am seeing. FUCK U HBO!!!

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post May 20 2012, 10:07 PM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 20 2012, 09:10 PM) *
watched the fight again....i get why some would call that fight a draw. i also feel it was much closer than cotto was given credit for.o tell me what i am seeing.

Anybody that had the nerve to call this fight a draw, obviously knows nothing about boxing and need their eyes checked. Cotto just did better than what everybody expected, but for people to even consider the fight close or a draw, should be ashamed of themselves.

When I was watching it drunk, I thought the fight a bit close. Mind you...I was DRUNK. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) After getting my faculties in order and watching it again, I only gave Miguel 2 rounds...and the rounds that he did win, were close rounds.

I agree that he landed more shots than IncompetentBox recorded, but again, that scoring system is all jacked anyway.
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post May 20 2012, 10:34 PM
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Fight wasn't anywhere near a draw. if somebody wanted to give 7-5 Mayweather, I'd respect that but that's being generous. The best he really could get is 8-4 in favorof Mayweather. He was getting outboxed the first 2 rounds of that fight and the duration of the match Mayweather invited Miguel in and beat him where he should of had the advantages. Anybody who scored this fight a draw loses respect in my opinion. I don't give credit for doing btter then expected or bloody noses. He lost this fight and it was a CLEAR decision win for Mayweather
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post May 21 2012, 08:17 AM
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The rounds Floyd won were clear wins. Cotto only had 2 clear rounds. I think the most you can give him is 4 rounds. I gave him 3. The 6th, 8th and 10th. The 10th was sketchy though.
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post May 21 2012, 01:38 PM
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QUOTE (Cshel86 @ May 20 2012, 11:07 PM) *
Anybody that had the nerve to call this fight a draw, obviously knows nothing about boxing and need their eyes checked. Cotto just did better than what everybody expected, but for people to even consider the fight close or a draw, should be ashamed of themselves.

When I was watching it drunk, I thought the fight a bit close. Mind you...I was DRUNK. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) After getting my faculties in order and watching it again, I only gave Miguel 2 rounds...and the rounds that he did win, were close rounds.

I agree that he landed more shots than IncompetentBox recorded, but again, that scoring system is all jacked anyway.


i often wonder if the judges are intoxicated during fights. there needs to be sobriety and vision tests given to judges prior to them scoring bouts. i believe it takes a certain level of intelligence and the ability to focus to score a fight. i don't believe most judges have the attention span or understanding necessary to score bouts. i believe that everyone is influenced by jim, larry and manny during the bouts, whether they choose to acknowledge it or not. that includes fans watching...and those sitting ringside. i can't tell u how many times i talk to fans and hear them reiterate some bullshit larry merchant spewed during a fight. i know what it is i am seeing. i don't need a talking head to spin it for me.

there are several factors that go into scoring bouts. clean punching, effective aggressiveness, defense, ring generalship...

most times...judges will score for the aggressor. i don't always agree with that...especially when the aggressor misses a lot of punches. in the case of this bout though, both guys missed plenty of punches. cotto was putting intelligent pressure on floyd and cutting the ring off effectively which ended with floyd on the ropes for the majority of the fight. both had plenty of partially blocked shots...and both landed clean ones. most of cotto's clean shots were to the body but u can't deny that he hit mayweather cleanly to the head more than any of mayweathers previous opponents. floyd landed some good head shots...but his right was partially blocked most times. his left uppercut was the one that started to land towards the end of the bout. the commentary gave cotto very little credit for anything he did. the judges and "incompetent-box" also seemed to do the same. there is no way i can justify only giving cotto two rounds. you are giving him very little credit. i would suggest turning down the volume and score with ur eyes...not ur ears or heart. i gave cotto 5 rounds. it's pointless now...but i should have done a thread where i score it round by round with explanations. it seems to be the norm where ppl just accept injustice. i'm not saying cotto won...but he clearly didn't get the scores he deserved. incompetent scoring is what's bad for the sport and turns fans away. this was not the biggest crime in the sport. bouts like cloud/campillo and lara/williams put this one to shame. watching the bout live...i scored it 8-4 for floyd. watching it a second time i scored it 7-5 for floyd.
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post May 21 2012, 03:55 PM
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Scoring the fight for the judges would be different than us scoring it on TV, because you get more height and angles on TV, plus replay.

Also, most judges score for the aggressor, like Harold Lederman's unofficial scoring, because they're just lazy, and don't want to actually add up whats landing clean or not.

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