[Cheesey1]

Larry Merchant sounded v. v. creepy when he was describing Canelo's appearance. I always mute him, but since I watched it in the cinema, I couldn't, which was the only bad thing about that evening.

[daprofessor]

HBO has invested interest in certain fighters.

As long as Ive followed boxing Ive noticed this. I can go on and on with fighters who would seem very marketable but have come up short. Its is the JOB of commentators to be a bit bias towards them IMO...
Recent examples:

Chad Dawson- Im sure we can all agree that he was the next big thing, but he was beat hands down by a stong active Pascal. IMO if they fight again it will be the same outcome. The only REAL notable thing he has done to this point is beat an aged Hopkins. He will never peak this. HBO is going to try and milk him along I think. Id be suprised if the Ward fight gets made. Dont get me wrong, he is a solid fighter who is strong fundamentally but I dont think he is as MARKETABLE as the Home Box Office planned. In other words.. he will not be a huge PPV draw.. ..ever..

Amir Khan- HBO has used his ties with Paq to build him initially. He is a huge draw over seas but lets face it folks.. he's no Hatton.. or Calzaghe for that matter.. what really grinds my gears is how even though he lost the fight with Peterson he is still being promoted by HBO (commercials ect.) as the guy to watch. I know Khan is the
draw but Im also like isnt Lamont the champ? ( this prior to recent developments) Khan is a good fighter, but he is marketable mainly. He's loud, opinionated, charismatic, and has a good european following. HBO is definitely bias towards him..

Other names like Broaner (joining the commentary during the fight), Gamboa (hard on his nutts but with his not so entertaining recent fight and no show for Rios HBO kinda backed off I think), Canelo (main driving force right now for upcomming stars)... just to name a few ..

Not to mention that DURING A FIGHT it seems that the main highlighted punches counted are from the favored fighter... this is typical if you are paying attention.

I think Lamply is a bit bias at times,.... Kellerman is getting much better and is becoming better with generating interest with the underdog (non HBO star).. usually Stewart is most accurate but stiil slightly favors the actions of the draw. ..Merchant is starting to slowly kill me.. Im not even gonna comment

I enjoy commentary most of the time.. but typically when I see something going on and they commentary says the same moment later... but often I ask myself "are these guys watching the same fight as me?"

totally disagree.

their opinions shape the way a casual fan views the fight. they will often have an educated boxing person questioning what they are witnessing. it's pure bullshit. there's no doubt that everyone ringside...judges, officials...everyone....can hear their bullshit and are influenced by them. they ruin boxing imo.

[Franchize]

Larry Merchant sounded v. v. creepy when he was describing Canelo's appearance. I always mute him, but since I watched it in the cinema, I couldn't, which was the only bad thing about that evening.

How was that...watching it in the movie theatre? My lil bro went to the movies to watch it too. I can't really get a guage for the experience because I think he went with a bunch of friends just to hit on girls lol

Also, what did you guys think about Lampley's show? I don't know if theres a thread already for it so I figured I'd ask here. I thought it was cool. I didn't like Arum of course though. I felt like he was trying to diss Manny for being devoted to his religion.

their opinions shape the way a casual fan views the fight. they will often have an educated boxing person questioning what they are witnessing. it's pure bullshit. there's no doubt that everyone ringside...judges, officials...everyone....can hear their bullshit and are influenced by them. they ruin boxing imo.

Totally agree! Irresponsible journalism is kiling sports. You see it with Mike Breen and Carmelo Anthony. You see it with HBO with Floyd. You see it with Skip Bayless in every sport. I don't think these people realize how much they impact the casual fans minds. And as sports events become bigger, and casual fans use it as red carpet venues, those fans opinions are being brought to the forefront while the die hard, knowledgeable fans and sitting home wondering WTF theyre talking about.

This post has been edited by Franchize: May 14 2012, 12:57 PM

[Cshel86]

I don't know if theres a thread already for it so I figured I'd ask here. I thought it was cool.

Nope, there isn't one open...have at it. I totally missed that shit...hope it's uploaded on youtube by now.

I don't think these people realize how much they impact the casual fans minds. And as sports events become bigger, and casual fans use it as red carpet venues, those fans opinions are being brought to the forefront while the die hard, knowledgeable fans and sitting home wondering WTF theyre talking about.

I agree with you and Professor on this matter, but I also agree with Box's point as well. It is their job to build up the next best thing, even if the "next best thing" is one step closer to the shitter (as us hardcore fans can see from a mile away).

They are supposed to make Manny's phantom punches look like Killer Instinct combos (anybody remember that game? Lol), they're supposed to make Sergio look like he makes mid-fight adjustments when in fact, his opponent is simply tired, they're supposed to make Khan look like he's ready for Mayweather, though he still fights like an amateur.

Again, it's the HBO commentators' job to build these fighters up (under false pretenses). You dont hear all of the nuthugging on Showtime, because their roster isn't as stacked as HBO's. You have Mayweather, Pacquiao, Martinez, Donaire, Chavez Jr., Rios, Margarito, Cotto, Berto, Ortiz, Morales, Hopkins, De La Hoya (used to have him), Mosley, just to name a few. Some of these fighters have fought on Showtime, but they seem to cling to HBO for more exposure.

Showtime on the other end, has pretty good fighters who put on great performances, but the network has to always take the back seat to HBO. Sometimes, they're able to get some of these HBO fighters to fight on the network, depending on open dates and so forth. Right now, HBO seems to have he "megafight" in the bag (if it ever happens), so it would be in their best interest to build as many fighters as they can while the spotlight is still on them.

[daprofessor]

Nope, there isn't one open...have at it. I totally missed that shit...hope it's uploaded on youtube by now.


I agree with you and Professor on this matter, but I also agree with Box's point as well. It is their job to build up the next best thing, even if the "next best thing" is one step closer to the shitter (as us hardcore fans can see from a mile away).

They are supposed to make Manny's phantom punches look like Killer Instinct combos (anybody remember that game? Lol), they're supposed to make Sergio look like he makes mid-fight adjustments when in fact, his opponent is simply tired, they're supposed to make Khan look like he's ready for Mayweather, though he still fights like an amateur.

Again, it's the HBO commentators' job to build these fighters up (under false pretenses). You dont hear all of the nuthugging on Showtime, because their roster isn't as stacked as HBO's. You have Mayweather, Pacquiao, Martinez, Donaire, Chavez Jr., Rios, Margarito, Cotto, Berto, Ortiz, Morales, Hopkins, De La Hoya (used to have him), Mosley, just to name a few. Some of these fighters have fought on Showtime, but they seem to cling to HBO for more exposure.

Showtime on the other end, has pretty good fighters who put on great performances, but the network has to always take the back seat to HBO. Sometimes, they're able to get some of these HBO fighters to fight on the network, depending on open dates and so forth. Right now, HBO seems to have he "megafight" in the bag (if it ever happens), so it would be in their best interest to build as many fighters as they can while the spotlight is still on them.

typically...showtime doesn't sign any fighters so they have no vested interest in them. it's why i believe they are the home of the upset. they're more inclined to make a compelling match up rather than a favorable one. showtime is how boxing should be done and it's the reason they have been my favorite network for quite some time.

hbo on the other hand reeks of corruption and everything wrong with the sport. it's not very often that u see a bad decision on showtime....but on hbo...it's typical. the commentators don't help either.

[Cshel86]

hbo on the other hand reeks of corruption and everything wrong with the sport. it's not very often that u see a bad decision on showtime....but on hbo...it's typical. the commentators don't help either.

Showtime has had it's share of bad decisions recently:
- Cloud/Campillo
- Mares/Agbeko 1
- Lopez/Salido 2 (terrible scorecard before the stoppage)

Well now that I think about it, you're right...its not that often that it happens on Showtime. The above listed, just happened this year. HBO has blown them away, thus far, this year...

[daprofessor]

Showtime has had it's share of bad decisions recently:
- Cloud/Campillo
- Mares/Agbeko 1
- Lopez/Salido 2 (terrible scorecard before the stoppage)

Well now that I think about it, you're right...its not that often that it happens on Showtime. The above listed, just happened this year. HBO has blown them away, thus far, this year...

i didn't say it doesn't happen....just that it is rare. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

[Cshel86]

i didn't say it doesn't happen....just that it is rare. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Im pretty sure I gave you credit for your post. I should have ended my recent post with..."HBO has blown them away with bullshit decisions, this year"...

[daprofessor]

Im pretty sure I gave you credit for your post. I should have ended my recent post with..."HBO has blown them away with bullshit decisions, this year"...

oh. ok. thanks. i wasn't looking for credit but i'll take it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Cheesey1]

How was that...watching it in the movie theatre? My lil bro went to the movies to watch it too. I can't really get a guage for the experience because I think he went with a bunch of friends just to hit on girls lol

Also, what did you guys think about Lampley's show? I don't know if theres a thread already for it so I figured I'd ask here. I thought it was cool. I didn't like Arum of course though. I felt like he was trying to diss Manny for being devoted to his religion.



Totally agree! Irresponsible journalism is kiling sports. You see it with Mike Breen and Carmelo Anthony. You see it with HBO with Floyd. You see it with Skip Bayless in every sport. I don't think these people realize how much they impact the casual fans minds. And as sports events become bigger, and casual fans use it as red carpet venues, those fans opinions are being brought to the forefront while the die hard, knowledgeable fans and sitting home wondering WTF theyre talking about.

It was a lot of fun. I've watched Mayweather's last three bouts in the cinema. The first time I saw the boxers on that massive screen was really an experience and the crowd really gets into it and the picture's so f'ing clear.
Sections were cheering for Cotto when he was looking good and then when he got put in his place by Floyd they heard it from some of the Mayweather section. No drama, just a great time with a shit load of boxingfans. Highly, highly recommended.

Sporting commentators are becoming a joke (I only watch espn for FNF, otherwise it just makes me want to vomit). The only guys that I make a point to pay attention to are boxers and trainers. Very rarely do professional commentators who haven't competed in the sport that they're talking about add anything to a boxing match (for me at least). Some of the guys in the U.K, relatively speaking, seem to do a decent job though - not perfect, but relatively speaking, they seem to be less insipid.
I usually mute the Grumpy Old Men, although I'd pick Lampley over Merchant any day of the week.

This post has been edited by Cheesey1: May 14 2012, 10:44 PM