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Cshel86
post May 24 2012, 01:07 PM
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Wanna see some bad legs? Anybody remember Vargas vs Mayorga? Man...Fernando's legs were no good in that fight, not to mention that he was probably close to 180lbs on fight night. Looked like he had an inner tube around his waist, or a floatie...whatever you wanna call it. Anyway, his legs weren't anything impressive in that fight...
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post May 24 2012, 01:17 PM
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In both the Ortiz and Cotto fight, everytime Floyd decided to turn the table and be the one pressing the fight, there was nothing either fighter could do. Say what you will about his legs, his movement or whatever. That is an absolute fact. When Floyd came forward against those guys, they were defenseless. When he went to the ropes and/or ducked nd dodged in the pocket, he gave them a chance, allbeit unnecessarily. Nobody will ever know except for him why. That being said, when he came forward is when he showed just how much better than those guys he was. That's one thing I know for a fact. So if a guy who can dominate coming forward in that fashion, I find it hard to believe he was forced into any style of fight. The only thing Floyd was forced into was competition!
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post May 24 2012, 01:25 PM
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I honestly believe until this fairy tale fight is made between Mayweather and pac roid. Floyd just wont get his just dues. He is bar none the best fighter out right now. Dont get me wrong Pac is another GOOD fighter but not GREAT. Here is the reason why he is a good fighter versus a great elite fighter. Where was he when floyd was fighting gattie, beating the hamster shit out of diego corales. #2 pac cannot adjust within a fight and he damn sure can't fight going backwards. #3 he gets hit more than Floyd and has absolutley no DEFENSE. He just takes on too much damage. You def can tell when he is frustrated. Marquez made him look very ordinary versus when floyd fought him he couldnt land a damn punch in the first 5 rounds.. Riddle me that.. Dont get me wrong i love to watch paq because he is an exciting fighter but he's not great. He takes to many advangtages going into a fight. Ie their either was coming off of a bad LOSS, they had to give up weight in order to make the fight ie mr catch weight king. When is the last time pac fought someone coming off a terrific win. Hmmmmmmmmmmm i think mr Timothy bradley is the last i can remember, and his last win is very SUSPECT. To make a long story short, each fight is different and there is no blue print on beating floyd. So he can either take it to you or box circles around you . I do believe if and when the fight happens Floyd is goign to box pac into a coma. He wont take those same risk he took against cotto because pac obviously only has a PUNCHERS chance. and its clear pac is a far better puncher than cotto unless it was the roids giving him the extra effort.. but who really knows aside from freddie "cock man" roach and Builder the bob arum.
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post May 24 2012, 01:27 PM
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QUOTE (Franchize @ May 24 2012, 02:17 PM) *
In both the Ortiz and Cotto fight, everytime Floyd decided to turn the table and be the one pressing the fight, there was nothing either fighter could do. Say what you will about his legs, his movement or whatever. That is an absolute fact. When Floyd came forward against those guys, they were defenseless. When he went to the ropes and/or ducked nd dodged in the pocket, he gave them a chance, allbeit unnecessarily. Nobody will ever know except for him why. That being said, when he came forward is when he showed just how much better than those guys he was. That's one thing I know for a fact. So if a guy who can dominate coming forward in that fashion, I find it hard to believe he was forced into any style of fight. The only thing Floyd was forced into was competition!


he pressed against ortiz and was taggin the shit out of him with those right hands. i missed the part where floyd came forward against cotto and he was defenseless. feel free to give me the rounds and i'll check them out.
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post May 24 2012, 01:52 PM
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QUOTE (karmine20 @ May 24 2012, 02:25 PM) *
I honestly believe until this fairy tale fight is made between Mayweather and pac roid. Floyd just wont get his just dues. He is bar none the best fighter out right now. Dont get me wrong Pac is another GOOD fighter but not GREAT. Here is the reason why he is a good fighter versus a great elite fighter. Where was he when floyd was fighting gattie, beating the hamster shit out of diego corales. #2 pac cannot adjust within a fight and he damn sure can't fight going backwards. #3 he gets hit more than Floyd and has absolutley no DEFENSE. He just takes on too much damage. You def can tell when he is frustrated. Marquez made him look very ordinary versus when floyd fought him he couldnt land a damn punch in the first 5 rounds.. Riddle me that.. Dont get me wrong i love to watch paq because he is an exciting fighter but he's not great. He takes to many advangtages going into a fight. Ie their either was coming off of a bad LOSS, they had to give up weight in order to make the fight ie mr catch weight king. When is the last time pac fought someone coming off a terrific win. Hmmmmmmmmmmm i think mr Timothy bradley is the last i can remember, and his last win is very SUSPECT. To make a long story short, each fight is different and there is no blue print on beating floyd. So he can either take it to you or box circles around you . I do believe if and when the fight happens Floyd is goign to box pac into a coma. He wont take those same risk he took against cotto because pac obviously only has a PUNCHERS chance. and its clear pac is a far better puncher than cotto unless it was the roids giving him the extra effort.. but who really knows aside from freddie "cock man" roach and Builder the bob arum.


i don't believe floyd will ever get credit. he should have fought pac by this point. i believe he would have beat him the same way he beat gatti. floyds style is all wrong for pac. unfortunately, bradley is going to be the one to knock pac off the pedestal. i take nothing away from pac. his victories over barrera, morales and marquez1 were impressive. i thought he lost the 2nd and 3rd fight against jmm.
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post May 24 2012, 01:53 PM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 24 2012, 02:27 PM) *
he pressed against ortiz and was taggin the shit out of him with those right hands. i missed the part where floyd came forward against cotto and he was defenseless. feel free to give me the rounds and i'll check them out.


I haven't watched the fight in a while but the last round and the 4th round for sure. He nearly KO'd Cotto in the last round. Then he let the foot off the gas
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post May 24 2012, 01:57 PM
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QUOTE (karmine20 @ May 24 2012, 02:25 PM) *
I honestly believe until this fairy tale fight is made between Mayweather and pac roid. Floyd just wont get his just dues.

Check this out, if Manny looks bad against Bradley and Marquez (at the end of this year), and the big fight happens next and Floyd wins...guess what we'll hear...

"Oh, Mayweather waited until Pacquiao slowed down, THEN he decided to take the fight." I think it's safe to say that Floyd will NEVER get his just due. The only thing he needs to worry about is getting paid, because that "just due" that he's waiting on, will surely outlast him.
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post May 24 2012, 01:58 PM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 24 2012, 01:52 PM) *
i don't believe floyd will ever get credit. he should have fought pac by this point. i believe he would have beat him the same way he beat gatti. floyds style is all wrong for pac. unfortunately, bradley is going to be the one to knock pac off the pedestal. i take nothing away from pac. his victories over barrera, morales and marquez1 were impressive. i thought he lost the 2nd and 3rd fight against jmm.



I totally agree with you on the Jmm fight #2 and #3. However, I’m a little hesitant about this timothy Bradley fight. I believe he has all the natural abilities to beat paq and frustrate him a lot. However he can go into any exchanges throwing wide punches like he is accustom of doing. Otherwise it will be a quick night for him. If he can control his aggression and throw more crisp short punches pac will be in for a long night. Shane and Marquez already showed if you give him any lateral movement he a done for. I’m actually really hoping he loses, so this whole mayweather paq fight can finally go to rest. Faucccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
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post May 24 2012, 02:01 PM
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QUOTE (Franchize @ May 24 2012, 02:53 PM) *
I haven't watched the fight in a while but the last round and the 4th round for sure. He nearly KO'd Cotto in the last round. Then he let the foot off the gas


fighters that are nearly ko'd don't attack the way cotto was right after floyd landed that shot. he stunned cotto, no doubt...but cotto took the fight right back to him which is why floyd gave him movement. like cshel said...u don't move like that in the 11th and 12th if ur legs are gone.
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post May 24 2012, 02:04 PM
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QUOTE (karmine20 @ May 24 2012, 02:58 PM) *
I totally agree with you on the Jmm fight #2 and #3. However, I’m a little hesitant about this timothy Bradley fight. I believe he has all the natural abilities to beat paq and frustrate him a lot. However he can go into any exchanges throwing wide punches like he is accustom of doing. Otherwise it will be a quick night for him. If he can control his aggression and throw more crisp short punches pac will be in for a long night. Shane and Marquez already showed if you give him any lateral movement he a done for. I’m actually really hoping he loses, so this whole mayweather paq fight can finally go to rest. Faucccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk


i'm picking bradley to win...and maybe even by stoppage. i think cotto showed that pac doesn't know how to cut a ring too. pac will be an after thought after june 9th and the pac/may talk will cease. bring on the cotto rematch...or maybe even bradley/mayweather.
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