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Aug 8 2012, 05:48 PM
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Welterweight Group: Members Posts: 1,687 Joined: 21-April 07 From: New York, New York Member No.: 5,991 |
Better get Floyd Sr... Khan needs to be checked... Chad Dawson was good defensively when he had Floyd Sr... has been crap since.. Defense.. better get SR.. Emmanuel Steward would have Khan KO'd again... He is not a defensive trainer...
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Aug 8 2012, 06:41 PM
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"The Meanest Nice Guy" Group: Moderators Posts: 9,541 Joined: 11-May 11 From: Wherever Greatness is Bred Member No.: 12,050 |
Better get Floyd Sr... Khan needs to be checked... Chad Dawson was good defensively when he had Floyd Sr... has been crap since.. Defense.. better get SR.. Emmanuel Steward would have Khan KO'd again... He is not a defensive trainer... Agreed! Sr. would be the perfect fit...it's not like he isn't whoring for a name fighter to train anyway. He'd give Amir all the time that he needs. If Khan feels like Roach isn't giving him enough time, then it wont be any different with Steward, because he's hardly in the camps when he trains fighters. Dude has an assistant, then he comes in and puts to finishing touches on the shit...which translates to neglect. Khan needs Sr...like the Jackson 5 needed Mike. |
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Aug 8 2012, 08:52 PM
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Welterweight Group: Members Posts: 1,687 Joined: 21-April 07 From: New York, New York Member No.: 5,991 |
Yeap!!!
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Aug 9 2012, 11:35 AM
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Junior Welterweight Group: Members Posts: 1,491 Joined: 28-December 11 Member No.: 13,419 |
Now I'm usually hard on fighters that liek to reinvigurate their careers by firing trainers and acting like they were the problem. In this case however, I think it's justified. Let's face it, Freddie Roach produces really good fighters. He doesn't produce many boxers. Amir Khan is best as a boxer. This reckless abandon and barrage of punches doesn't maximize his talents. He doesn't have the ring savvy, the defensive wherewithal and certainly not the chin to hold up for an entire career fighting like that. He's going to get rockem sockem roboted by far subperior talent if he keeps it up.
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Aug 9 2012, 05:26 PM
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Welterweight Group: Members Posts: 1,644 Joined: 21-July 11 Member No.: 12,858 |
very good points and i agree with most...except for the manny steward thing. u've never seen a manny steward trained fighter capable of fighting on the inside....or have good defense if they didn't have a significant height advantage. he needs to learn to fight on the inside and tie up once in a while. his foot work needs work...but he just needs to slow it down and make his moves more precise. he's too concerned with speed and is sacrificing good form as a result. i believe i could teach him all the things he needs to learn. the first thing i would work on is to get him to use his eyes on defense. he shells up and balls up anytime u start landing on him. that is the absolute worse thing to do on defense. He does need to learn to fight on the inside, what alot of people aren't realizing about Amir is he's been getting by on his talent. His whole style of fighting is amateur like. The height thing with Steward is true to an extent. Taylor aint have no height advantage over most of hid opponents. I recommend Steward because he shows a fighter how to protect his chin and Steward has all ways been good with tall, lanky fighters offensively and improving their balance I see what you did there professor lol. Put your bid in, I'll be the second assist if ya need it lol |
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Aug 9 2012, 06:29 PM
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Light Heavyweight Group: Members Posts: 4,182 Joined: 20-May 11 From: killa kali Member No.: 12,336 |
He does need to learn to fight on the inside, what alot of people aren't realizing about Amir is he's been getting by on his talent. His whole style of fighting is amateur like. The height thing with Steward is true to an extent. Taylor aint have no height advantage over most of hid opponents. I recommend Steward because he shows a fighter how to protect his chin and Steward has all ways been good with tall, lanky fighters offensively and improving their balance I see what you did there professor lol. Put your bid in, I'll be the second assist if ya need it lol (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Aug 9 2012, 08:21 PM
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"The Meanest Nice Guy" Group: Moderators Posts: 9,541 Joined: 11-May 11 From: Wherever Greatness is Bred Member No.: 12,050 |
I know that this may be a unanimous no-no, but honestly, Khan needs Floyd Sr. I know Sr.'s way of training may not be favored by Khan's team, but hell, this dude's true talents are being put on the back burner. I believe Freddie just worked with him and implemented Manny's style, just to save him the hard work of digging deep and bringing out his true talents. Pacquiao's style is great for anybody, if they have a chin...in Khan's case, well, he isn't privy to a tough chin...his chin just has tough luck.
Khan's 25, he has a few more good years in the sport before his body starts slowing down a bit. Sr. needs to train him, and give him that mental boot-camp style training. I know that Khan's team may not fully agree with this, but honestly, who gives a fuck? Excuse me, who gives a flying flock of rat shit? The guy just lost two fights in a row, one in which he got knocked the fuck out in, and got embarrassed on national television...no need for a passive trainer whose gonna pat him on the back and let him fight however he wants to. Again, Khan has exceptional boxing skills (when he uses them), but his defense needs that Floyd Sr. touch-up. I know that Sr. trained Jr. to fight like that since birth, but Khan's motivation to not get KTFO on television at this critical stage of his career, should help him to adopt a more defensive style. No matter how good it feels to KO someone, or hit a guy at will, NO ONE, and I repeat, NO ONE likes to get hit...that shit hurts (especially in street fights) and it puts '93 Accord miles on your career. Again, at this point, Khan should look out for himself and tell his camp to kiss his ass if they dont "like" the idea of him working with somebody that's gonna be hard on him. In fact, if they disagree, then they should get the boot...who are they without him anyway? I'm sure he doesn't want to get KO'd again, so hopefully he makes the best decision and wholeheartedly commits to it. |
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Aug 9 2012, 08:45 PM
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Welterweight Group: Members Posts: 1,644 Joined: 21-July 11 Member No.: 12,858 |
Do you you think Nazim could help him? |
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Aug 9 2012, 08:48 PM
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Welterweight Group: Members Posts: 1,644 Joined: 21-July 11 Member No.: 12,858 |
I know that this may be a unanimous no-no, but honestly, Khan needs Floyd Sr. I know Sr.'s way of training may not be favored by Khan's team, but hell, this dude's true talents are being put on the back burner. I believe Freddie just worked with him and implemented Manny's style, just to save him the hard work of digging deep and bringing out his true talents. Pacquiao's style is great for anybody, if they have a chin...in Khan's case, well, he isn't privy to a tough chin...his chin just has tough luck. Khan's 25, he has a few more good years in the sport before his body starts slowing down a bit. Sr. needs to train him, and give him that mental boot-camp style training. I know that Khan's team may not fully agree with this, but honestly, who gives a fuck? Excuse me, who gives a flying flock of rat shit? The guy just lost two fights in a row, one in which he got knocked the fuck out in, and got embarrassed on national television...no need for a passive trainer whose gonna pat him on the back and let him fight however he wants to. Again, Khan has exceptional boxing skills (when he uses them), but his defense needs that Floyd Sr. touch-up. I know that Sr. trained Jr. to fight like that since birth, but Khan's motivation to not get KTFO on television at this critical stage of his career, should help him to adopt a more defensive style. No matter how good it feels to KO someone, or hit a guy at will, NO ONE, and I repeat, NO ONE likes to get hit...that shit hurts (especially in street fights) and it puts '93 Accord miles on your career. Again, at this point, Khan should look out for himself and tell his camp to kiss his ass if they dont "like" the idea of him working with somebody that's gonna be hard on him. In fact, if they disagree, then they should get the boot...who are they without him anyway? I'm sure he doesn't want to get KO'd again, so hopefully he makes the best decision and wholeheartedly commits to it. Good post Shels. My only thing with Khan even switching trainers is I wonder if when the pressure in the fight turns up, will he throw away the game plan and tune his corner out? He has a track record of going off the handle and doing things his way |
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Aug 9 2012, 09:50 PM
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"The Meanest Nice Guy" Group: Moderators Posts: 9,541 Joined: 11-May 11 From: Wherever Greatness is Bred Member No.: 12,050 |
Good post Shels. My only thing with Khan even switching trainers is I wonder if when the pressure in the fight turns up, will he throw away the game plan and tune his corner out? He has a track record of going off the handle and doing things his way That was my concern as well, but hopefully, the fact that he got KTFO at this stage of his career for being careless and not listening, will motivate him to trust his corner's instructions. He was "supposed" to be the frontrunner for a Mayweather fight, but due to his recent mistakes, it's costed him that opportunity for the moment. Unless he does something BIG within the next year, that chance is out the window, so Im sure he'll make the necessary adjustments. Most fighters have extended the life of their careers by switching trainers (Mosley, OLDH, Tarver, Barrera), so it should do Khan some type of justice. Now that I think about it, Khan hiring Mayweather Sr. may add a bit of spice to a "possible" Mayweather fight in the future....if Khan follows through and makes a HUGE statement. If Floyd fought a PED user, and a guy that quit in the past, then Im sure he can make something of a Khan fight. |
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