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Cshel86
post Aug 17 2012, 06:49 PM
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Okay guys, don't laugh at me, but I just thought about this. I would like to hear you guys' thoughts on how the fight would go, though Im sure most would give it to Ward easily. Maybe. Maybe not.

My biggest question is, how could their promoters put a huge spin on things and make this into a HUGE fight over the course of a year? I mean, Ward is big in the boxing world, but not so much with casual fans. Chavez is going to be big (that's what they're working towards), due to his name, if he can keep winning.

This would no doubt, be somewhat of a breakout fight for Ward, in regards to the world knowing who he is. The lifting is in the hands of Chavez's team...maybe a fight with Kelly Pavlik and some other notable name at 168 by the end of next year. He does have a pretty busy schedule, so it can be done...maybe May '14, if Ward stays at 68.

What are you guys' thoughts on the popularity of this fight? Fight results?

Oh yeah...Chavez is going to beat Sergio. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
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post Aug 19 2012, 09:12 PM
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Great points guys!

I just believe that if they have a formidable opponent (Ward) in front of Julio, they (his team, Arum in particular) can make the shit bigger than what its supposed to be. I mean, its not like Chavez Sr. was fighting the best of the best before he shared the ring with Mayweather, Taylor, Randall, Whitaker, and few others.

I feel this situation playing out the same way. Thing is, Julio HAS to beat Sergio (who is considered the best in the MW division) before people can even mention a Ward bout with scoffing. Trust me, if he beats Sergio (which I think he will), then all he has to do is get in there with Pavlik and beat him (close or not).

50 has some business ties with Julio now, and I wouldn't rule out a Dirrell fight. Im not saying that he can beat Dirrell, but if they put him in there (thinking that Dirrell will skunk him) and something goes wrong down the stretch, then why wouldn't they bring up a Ward fight afterwards? We saw how Dirrell/Abraham went.

Honestly, Julio has a bit more star power/potential than Dirrell at this point, so he could bypass him. I mean seriously, whether Julio is an easy check in Ward's pocket or not, Im sure that fight would have "money" written all over it. Who knows if Froch would've ever fought Ward, had it not been for the Super 6, which made it pretty much mandatory that they fight. Who knows.

All Im saying, is that Julio has a big following and Im sure people on his end are PUSHING for him to fight and possibly beat a highly skilled fighter. Not saying that Sergio isn't, but an African American US Olympic Gold Medalist in front of one of Mexico's biggest stars...somebody is dying to see him dethrone Ward, whether its a delusional thought or not.

If Ward is that great (which he is for the most part), then thats an easy check in his pocket and more exposure (which he needs all that he can get). Hell, what if he loses to Dawson, do you think he'll look to a Chavez fight within the next year, if its offered to him? Think about it, Chavez fights about 3-4 times per year...its not that far-fetched if he wants to move up to 168 after this Martinez fight...if he wins.
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QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Aug 19 2012, 10:12 PM) *
Great points guys!

I just believe that if they have a formidable opponent (Ward) in front of Julio, they (his team, Arum in particular) can make the shit bigger than what its supposed to be. I mean, its not like Chavez Sr. was fighting the best of the best before he shared the ring with Mayweather, Taylor, Randall, Whitaker, and few others.

I feel this situation playing out the same way. Thing is, Julio HAS to beat Sergio (who is considered the best in the MW division) before people can even mention a Ward bout with scoffing. Trust me, if he beats Sergio (which I think he will), then all he has to do is get in there with Pavlik and beat him (close or not).

50 has some business ties with Julio now, and I wouldn't rule out a Dirrell fight. Im not saying that he can beat Dirrell, but if they put him in there (thinking that Dirrell will skunk him) and something goes wrong down the stretch, then why wouldn't they bring up a Ward fight afterwards? We saw how Dirrell/Abraham went.

Honestly, Julio has a bit more star power/potential than Dirrell at this point, so he could bypass him. I mean seriously, whether Julio is an easy check in Ward's pocket or not, Im sure that fight would have "money" written all over it. Who knows if Froch would've ever fought Ward, had it not been for the Super 6, which made it pretty much mandatory that they fight. Who knows.

All Im saying, is that Julio has a big following and Im sure people on his end are PUSHING for him to fight and possibly beat a highly skilled fighter. Not saying that Sergio isn't, but an African American US Olympic Gold Medalist in front of one of Mexico's biggest stars...somebody is dying to see him dethrone Ward, whether its a delusional thought or not.

If Ward is that great (which he is for the most part), then thats an easy check in his pocket and more exposure (which he needs all that he can get). Hell, what if he loses to Dawson, do you think he'll look to a Chavez fight within the next year, if its offered to him? Think about it, Chavez fights about 3-4 times per year...its not that far-fetched if he wants to move up to 168 after this Martinez fight...if he wins.


ward should be the bigger star...but i get the feeling if chavez wins this fight against sergio....his popularity will be through the roof. he'll be in the drivers seat...and i cannot see arum serving him up to someone like ward just yet if that happens. we already know arums' order of operations when it comes to his stars. they wouldn't have taken this fight with martinez if they didn't believe julio would win it. best believe their matchmakers have studied this one thoroughly. dirrell would be a step backwards for chavez..if he's going to move up to 168 look for arum to serve up pavlik like u said. he'll keep things in house...and try to milk chavez for all he's worth.
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- Cshel86   Ward vs Chavez (Topics Merged)   Aug 17 2012, 06:49 PM
- - Gambit808   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Aug 17 2012, 07:49 PM) O...   Aug 17 2012, 08:04 PM
- - Jimmy   Mismatch.Easy work for SOG.   Aug 17 2012, 08:05 PM
- - mrchitown   If Ward decides to stay at SMW, I could see this b...   Aug 17 2012, 10:28 PM
- - Cheesey1   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Aug 17 2012, 07:49 PM) O...   Aug 18 2012, 10:38 PM
- - daprofessor   if they can get past their next opponents...this i...   Aug 19 2012, 02:32 PM
- - Cshel86   Great points guys! I just believe that if the...   Aug 19 2012, 09:12 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Aug 19 2012, 10:12 PM) G...   Aug 20 2012, 03:16 PM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Aug 20 2012, 04:16 P...   Aug 20 2012, 07:35 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Aug 20 2012, 07:35 PM) F...   Aug 20 2012, 08:23 PM
- - Franchize   I can't see Sergio flourishing once the fight ...   Aug 20 2012, 02:26 PM
- - mgrover   I think he'd get schooled, i doubt he could ev...   Aug 20 2012, 07:45 PM
- - Plah   Chavez loses badly against Sergio, Froch and Ward.   Aug 20 2012, 11:06 PM
- - checkleft   I don't think it would be very competitive hon...   Aug 21 2012, 12:35 AM
- - Cshel86   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Aug 20 2012, 09:23 P...   Aug 21 2012, 08:19 AM
|- - Plah   QUOTE C'mon Plah, your mind is still stuck in ...   Aug 22 2012, 09:17 AM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (Plah @ Aug 22 2012, 10:17 AM) I 10...   Aug 22 2012, 09:47 AM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Aug 22 2012, 10:47 AM) I...   Aug 22 2012, 01:51 PM
- - mgrover   i think people give him too much credit for the an...   Aug 21 2012, 09:40 AM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (mgrover @ Aug 21 2012, 09:40 AM) i...   Aug 21 2012, 01:50 PM
- - checkleft   I do agree with your final thoughts professor but ...   Aug 21 2012, 02:03 PM
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- - checkleft   By Arthur Abraham syndrome I meant his strength an...   Aug 21 2012, 03:05 PM
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- - mrchitown   Just watched the preview of JCC jr-Martinez face o...   Aug 21 2012, 04:16 PM
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- - checkleft   Idk how we can be sure about chavez chin when he h...   Aug 22 2012, 06:52 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (checkleft @ Aug 22 2012, 07:52 PM)...   Aug 22 2012, 06:57 PM
- - sduck   Ward would shut him down easy   Aug 23 2012, 06:52 AM
- - BoxingEinstein   Ward easily puts on a clinic on Chavez Jr. I do se...   Aug 24 2012, 02:00 PM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Aug 24 2012, 06:38 PM)...   Aug 24 2012, 06:10 PM
- - The Original MrFactor   If Chavez jr handles Sergio Martinez next week, wh...   Sep 8 2012, 11:10 PM
- - Franchize   I don't think Chavez would do it but sure. I...   Sep 8 2012, 11:25 PM
- - Cshel86   I saw this coming!!!!....... http...   Sep 8 2012, 11:31 PM
|- - The Original MrFactor   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Sep 9 2012, 12:31 AM) I ...   Sep 9 2012, 12:23 AM
- - Plah   Nope.   Sep 8 2012, 11:31 PM
- - Hotsauce   yep   Sep 9 2012, 12:15 AM
- - Hotsauce   does arum want it?   Sep 9 2012, 12:17 AM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (Hotsauce @ Sep 9 2012, 12:17 AM) d...   Sep 9 2012, 12:33 AM
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- - neophyte7   Hope Chavez survives Maravilla.. LMAO @Ward vs Cha...   Sep 9 2012, 01:16 PM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 9 2012, 08:04 PM...   Sep 9 2012, 07:14 PM
- - daprofessor   if chavez beats martinez convincingly...ppl will b...   Sep 10 2012, 08:24 PM
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|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Sep 11 2012, 12:36 PM) H...   Sep 11 2012, 02:24 PM
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- - daprofessor   does anyone have a problem with chavez getting the...   Sep 11 2012, 01:12 PM
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