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Cshel86
post Aug 17 2012, 06:49 PM
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Okay guys, don't laugh at me, but I just thought about this. I would like to hear you guys' thoughts on how the fight would go, though Im sure most would give it to Ward easily. Maybe. Maybe not.

My biggest question is, how could their promoters put a huge spin on things and make this into a HUGE fight over the course of a year? I mean, Ward is big in the boxing world, but not so much with casual fans. Chavez is going to be big (that's what they're working towards), due to his name, if he can keep winning.

This would no doubt, be somewhat of a breakout fight for Ward, in regards to the world knowing who he is. The lifting is in the hands of Chavez's team...maybe a fight with Kelly Pavlik and some other notable name at 168 by the end of next year. He does have a pretty busy schedule, so it can be done...maybe May '14, if Ward stays at 68.

What are you guys' thoughts on the popularity of this fight? Fight results?

Oh yeah...Chavez is going to beat Sergio. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
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mrchitown
post Aug 21 2012, 04:16 PM
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Just watched the preview of JCC jr-Martinez face off...can't wait til the fight lol. There both looking like their going to bring their A-game. I initially picked Sergio to win but the more I think about it the more it seems like a toss up fight to me at this point.

Eventually JCC jr will move to 168 but I see him having some serious issues against a Dirrell or Ward. I say this because those 2 fighters have a high skill level and are athletic. I think this will serve as an detriment to Chaverz jr at 168. He has none/minimal athleticism. He has a solid chin but I can't ignore the fact that his biggest strength in fights is his massive weight advantage which would disappear at 168. Even if he grew into a player at SMW I still don't see him contending with the Direll and Ward types. His defense has improved but it's still mediocre and that's being generous. And who's to say that power will carry up to SMW. I think he's food for these 2 and possibly others at 168 if he tries to be brave and fight them
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post Aug 21 2012, 05:01 PM
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QUOTE (mrchitown @ Aug 21 2012, 04:16 PM) *
Just watched the preview of JCC jr-Martinez face off...can't wait til the fight lol. There both looking like their going to bring their A-game. I initially picked Sergio to win but the more I think about it the more it seems like a toss up fight to me at this point.

Eventually JCC jr will move to 168 but I see him having some serious issues against a Dirrell or Ward. I say this because those 2 fighters have a high skill level and are athletic. I think this will serve as an detriment to Chaverz jr at 168. He has none/minimal athleticism. He has a solid chin but I can't ignore the fact that his biggest strength in fights is his massive weight advantage which would disappear at 168. Even if he grew into a player at SMW I still don't see him contending with the Direll and Ward types. His defense has improved but it's still mediocre and that's being generous. And who's to say that power will carry up to SMW. I think he's food for these 2 and possibly others at 168 if he tries to be brave and fight them


i can't help but to think about jr's old man...and how much he's really starting to look like him in the ring with his style. i agree...jr isn't an athlete...but he is a fighter...and like roy jones said..."a born fighter." i think he definitely has difficult times against both ward and dirrell..but i can see him beating dirrell. the pressure and body work would be enough to slow him down and i don't really think dirrell is a big puncher. dirrell has definite advantages over chavez but i could see this one playing out like chavez sr/m.taylor. it would go down to the wire.

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post Aug 22 2012, 05:30 PM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Aug 21 2012, 05:01 PM) *
i can't help but to think about jr's old man...and how much he's really starting to look like him in the ring with his style. i agree...jr isn't an athlete...but he is a fighter...and like roy jones said..."a born fighter." i think he definitely has difficult times against both ward and dirrell..but i can see him beating dirrell. the pressure and body work would be enough to slow him down and i don't really think dirrell is a big puncher. dirrell has definite advantages over chavez but i could see this one playing out like chavez sr/m.taylor. it would go down to the wire.


I see him turning into his old man too and that's the problem. Ward/Dirrell, I look at them as opponents as far as when Chavez sr fought Meldrick and Sweet pea. Chavez sr wasn't going to win that fight if Steele dumb ass hadn't of stopped it. taylor was pretty much in control waaay more then half the fight. And Sweet Pea gave his ass a lesson in the sweet science and he got that horrible "draw" against him. He could pressure him and the body work could be a factor but I still stick to his weight advantage being his biggest asset in his career. His father and him are the same fighters, you put'em in front of an athlete and they toast.

He's a born fighter but people like Ward and Dirrell are naturally gifted athletes and those types 99 out of 100 win. Their also hard to beat. AA started to touch Dirrell late but by then I didn't think it was enough, unless he could've ko'd Andre. And I am of the opinion that Dirrell beat Froch. I don't rate Chavez jr even close to their level of fighter and Dirrell and Ward did had much success against them. Chavez jr has minimal defense. i see it tough if he suddenly jumps leaps in bounds in this area but if not then I see trouble
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post Aug 22 2012, 06:41 PM
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QUOTE (mrchitown @ Aug 22 2012, 06:30 PM) *
I see him turning into his old man too and that's the problem. Ward/Dirrell, I look at them as opponents as far as when Chavez sr fought Meldrick and Sweet pea. Chavez sr wasn't going to win that fight if Steele dumb ass hadn't of stopped it. taylor was pretty much in control waaay more then half the fight. And Sweet Pea gave his ass a lesson in the sweet science and he got that horrible "draw" against him. He could pressure him and the body work could be a factor but I still stick to his weight advantage being his biggest asset in his career. His father and him are the same fighters, you put'em in front of an athlete and they toast.

He's a born fighter but people like Ward and Dirrell are naturally gifted athletes and those types 99 out of 100 win. Their also hard to beat. AA started to touch Dirrell late but by then I didn't think it was enough, unless he could've ko'd Andre. And I am of the opinion that Dirrell beat Froch. I don't rate Chavez jr even close to their level of fighter and Dirrell and Ward did had much success against them. Chavez jr has minimal defense. i see it tough if he suddenly jumps leaps in bounds in this area but if not then I see trouble


i remember that chavez sr/taylor fight like it was yesterday. meldrick was putting it on chavez early...but he did nothing to slow him down. i saw chavez putting money in the bank with those body shots and i knew then, watching it unfold, it was going to go down to the wire. as for steele stopping that bout...he's not the time keeper and in the heat of it all he gave taylor 2 chances to step forward and taylor was out of it. the stoppage will always be viewed as controversial but i get both sides of the argument.

as for the whitaker fight....that was a brilliant performance by pernell. i think he should have put his stamp on it by going for the ko in the last couple of rounds because he didn't give chavez anything in that bout and he had way more left imo. the draw was a disgrace.

with jr/dirrell...i don't think dirrell can outbox jr for a whole 12 rounds. while abraham and froch have more accomplishments...i think they aren't as aggressive and don't throw to the body like chavez nor do they have the same chin. that would be the difference. if abraham was able to catch up with dirrell mid rounds i'm quite certain chavez can do the same. dirrell has plenty of defensive holes and he'd waste a lot of energy trying to stay away from chavez. pressure busts pipes...and in this instance...i think chavez gets him.

ward is a different story. he has every tool and trick in the book. he has a beautiful jab...he'll stand in the pocket...he can box....he'll force chavez back every now and then....and he has respectable punching power. i can see him going through his catalog on jr and shutting him out.

chavez jr and sr may not be athletes...but they are tough durable guys who keep coming. it's reminiscent of ali/frazier. frazier wasn't really athletic or gifted either. he was tough and strong and kept coming. most times the gifted athlete should win....but every once in a while the tough durable guy finds a way. i can go down a long list of durable tough guys that beat gifted athletes....lamotta/robinson, basilio/robinson etc..etc..but you're right...most times the athlete/boxer wins.

i had dirrell beating froch 8-4. i could see jr stopping froch.
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post Aug 23 2012, 08:22 PM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Aug 22 2012, 06:41 PM) *
i remember that chavez sr/taylor fight like it was yesterday. meldrick was putting it on chavez early...but he did nothing to slow him down. i saw chavez putting money in the bank with those body shots and i knew then, watching it unfold, it was going to go down to the wire. as for steele stopping that bout...he's not the time keeper and in the heat of it all he gave taylor 2 chances to step forward and taylor was out of it. the stoppage will always be viewed as controversial but i get both sides of the argument.

as for the whitaker fight....that was a brilliant performance by pernell. i think he should have put his stamp on it by going for the ko in the last couple of rounds because he didn't give chavez anything in that bout and he had way more left imo. the draw was a disgrace.

with jr/dirrell...i don't think dirrell can outbox jr for a whole 12 rounds. while abraham and froch have more accomplishments...i think they aren't as aggressive and don't throw to the body like chavez nor do they have the same chin. that would be the difference. if abraham was able to catch up with dirrell mid rounds i'm quite certain chavez can do the same. dirrell has plenty of defensive holes and he'd waste a lot of energy trying to stay away from chavez. pressure busts pipes...and in this instance...i think chavez gets him.

ward is a different story. he has every tool and trick in the book. he has a beautiful jab...he'll stand in the pocket...he can box....he'll force chavez back every now and then....and he has respectable punching power. i can see him going through his catalog on jr and shutting him out.

chavez jr and sr may not be athletes...but they are tough durable guys who keep coming. it's reminiscent of ali/frazier. frazier wasn't really athletic or gifted either. he was tough and strong and kept coming. most times the gifted athlete should win....but every once in a while the tough durable guy finds a way. i can go down a long list of durable tough guys that beat gifted athletes....lamotta/robinson, basilio/robinson etc..etc..but you're right...most times the athlete/boxer wins.

i had dirrell beating froch 8-4. i could see jr stopping froch.


I agree with most of what you said, especially about the durable guys. It is some very intriguing matchups to be made for JCC jr when he steps into the SMW division. I think we will learn a lot about who he REALLY IS as a fighter when he steps up
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post Aug 24 2012, 01:53 PM
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QUOTE (mrchitown @ Aug 23 2012, 09:22 PM) *
I agree with most of what you said, especially about the durable guys. It is some very intriguing matchups to be made for JCC jr when he steps into the SMW division. I think we will learn a lot about who he REALLY IS as a fighter when he steps up


i think we'll learn who he really is in the martinez fight.
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post Aug 24 2012, 05:38 PM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Aug 24 2012, 01:53 PM) *
i think we'll learn who he really is in the martinez fight.


Really? Until I see him in with somebody who has skills and where his blow up doll weight isn't a factor, then I can't heap too much praise on him. Even if he beat Martinez, if he comes in 180 as usual on fight night, I just can't respect the W
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QUOTE (mrchitown @ Aug 24 2012, 06:38 PM) *
Really? Until I see him in with somebody who has skills and where his blow up doll weight isn't a factor, then I can't heap too much praise on him. Even if he beat Martinez, if he comes in 180 as usual on fight night, I just can't respect the W


i thought his last few fights have proven the kid is a legit fighter. if he beats martinez....i can't do anything but give him props. some guys can lose more than others...he's fighting at a weight that he can make...until they go back to same day weigh ins....this is alway going to be the case.
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 9 2012, 07:04 PM) *
i thought his last few fights have proven the kid is a legit fighter. if he beats martinez....i can't do anything but give him props. some guys can lose more than others...he's fighting at a weight that he can make...until they go back to same day weigh ins....this is alway going to be the case.


true, but I doubt they go back to same day weigh-in's which is unfortunate.

Regardless of what he does in his career, I'd never pick him to top Ward. I witnessed greatness on Saturday night. The difference between the 2 fighters is Ward is the truth, Chavez jr is just a mystery
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QUOTE (mrchitown @ Sep 10 2012, 10:12 PM) *
true, but I doubt they go back to same day weigh-in's which is unfortunate.

Regardless of what he does in his career, I'd never pick him to top Ward. I witnessed greatness on Saturday night. The difference between the 2 fighters is Ward is the truth, Chavez jr is just a mystery


no doubt. ward is definitely on the path to greatness. the man is amazing....methodical, calculating...he has every trick in the book. i love watching that dude fight. there's nothing boring about it. hbo doesn't deserve his fights. unappreciative, blood and guts craving, don't know shit about boxing ass muthafuckas. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 11 2012, 03:30 PM) *
no doubt. ward is definitely on the path to greatness. the man is amazing....methodical, calculating...he has every trick in the book. i love watching that dude fight. there's nothing boring about it. hbo doesn't deserve his fights. unappreciative, blood and guts craving, don't know shit about boxing ass muthafuckas. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


The bad thing about it is they will turn on him and start degrading him and his skills inside the ring, just like they did Floyd, same way their doing Broner right now somewhat with the sneak disses about him not making weight
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QUOTE (mrchitown @ Sep 12 2012, 03:20 PM) *
The bad thing about it is they will turn on him and start degrading him and his skills inside the ring, just like they did Floyd, same way their doing Broner right now somewhat with the sneak disses about him not making weight


they were doing it during the telecast...

merchant..."both of these guys would rather watch a fight of the year rather than be in one..."

lampley..."earlier we mentioned vitali klitschko being a MASTER at controlling distance...ward is ALMOST as good..."

they can't help themselves...they will shit on him and the sad part is that neither has a fucking clue. fans will regurgitate their bullshit as will some of the mickey mouse internet journalist who seem to follow suit.

broner deserves to be dissed the way he blatantly missed weight...then had the audacity to clown about it on twitter. that was very unprofessional. i could never see guys like chad, floyd or ward doing something like that. broners skills are undeniable...but he needs to grow up.

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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 12 2012, 02:54 PM) *
they were doing it during the telecast...

merchant..."both of these guys would rather watch a fight of the year rather than be in one..."

lampley..."earlier we mentioned vitali klitschko being a MASTER at controlling distance...ward is ALMOST as good..."


they can't help themselves...they will shit on him and the sad part is that neither has a fucking clue. fans will regurgitate their bullshit as will some of the mickey mouse internet journalist who seem to follow suit.

broner deserves to be dissed the way he blatantly missed weight...then had the audacity to clown about it on twitter. that was very unprofessional. i could never see guys like chad, floyd or ward doing something like that. broners skills are undeniable...but he needs to grow up.



smh they stay doing that.

i remember when floyd fought cotto, merchant said something about floyd being a hip hop fighter
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