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Cshel86
post Aug 17 2012, 06:49 PM
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Okay guys, don't laugh at me, but I just thought about this. I would like to hear you guys' thoughts on how the fight would go, though Im sure most would give it to Ward easily. Maybe. Maybe not.

My biggest question is, how could their promoters put a huge spin on things and make this into a HUGE fight over the course of a year? I mean, Ward is big in the boxing world, but not so much with casual fans. Chavez is going to be big (that's what they're working towards), due to his name, if he can keep winning.

This would no doubt, be somewhat of a breakout fight for Ward, in regards to the world knowing who he is. The lifting is in the hands of Chavez's team...maybe a fight with Kelly Pavlik and some other notable name at 168 by the end of next year. He does have a pretty busy schedule, so it can be done...maybe May '14, if Ward stays at 68.

What are you guys' thoughts on the popularity of this fight? Fight results?

Oh yeah...Chavez is going to beat Sergio. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
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post Sep 12 2012, 09:20 PM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 11 2012, 02:15 PM) *
i'm thinking they'll break the million mark just based on how many ppl i hear talking about this fight.

I'm not sure about the 1M mark...it's hard to crack 1M nowadays. If everyone was a bit more familiar with Sergio, then I'd side with that 1M, but hell, as we saw, Pac/Bradley only did around 700k. I'll just stick with the 300-400k since both guys are first-time headliners. You're on the west coast (I believe), so that may be the BIG difference in ppl talking about it, versus where I am. We never know though.

QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 11 2012, 02:36 PM) *
the thing about sergio is that he rose to the top the old fashioned way....he blazed a serious trail. he should be a huge star. but he's not. i blame his promoter. how do u have a guy with all that talent...who is winning impressively...and is taking on all comers and not make him into a star? he has a 'the look.' i don't think the language barrier has anything to do with it. i think it's because he has a promoter who is stuck on the eastcoast...and he thinks small. martinez lives in the largest latin american market in the country. why isn't he on all the spanish speaking stations? why isn't he endorsing products? why isn't he fighting at places like the staples center? it's an easy sell imo....but his ppl are failing him. i've been at events where his name was announced...or they show him on the big screen..and the crowd usually erupts. now...against chavez...he'll get no love because the majority of those ppl are mexican...but if he should win and is humble in doing so, they'll come to love him again. his ppl need to step up their game and get this man paid. especially if he wins.

All you can blame is his promoter and managers...those are usually the first to get blamed (and with good reason). I agree....endorsements and such, have totally passed Sergio by, because of his management. Dude is damn near an Abercrombie & Fitch model, and dresses like a goddamn superstar, but you cant get this guy an endorsement?! Dude should've had his own cologne by now. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Sometimes, a guy's team is either so worried about getting paid, or they play too much into the interest of the fighter (ala Sergio begging for the Chavez fight), that they forget about the little things. As we all know, the little things, is what gets us through things. I'm sure Sergio would've been mad as hell to pose for D&G or American Eagle, while thinking about a Chavez fight, but that shit would've out him in the eye of the public. Poor management.

QUOTE (mrchitown @ Sep 11 2012, 03:24 PM) *
That's good for both of them. I heard Dawson's purse was only around $600k

Yep...not the best purse to match that beatdown he took.

QUOTE (mrchitown @ Sep 12 2012, 03:25 PM) *
They need to cut us a check, we better promoters then they are lmao

Damn right! What are they thinking? The real promoters are in this very fuckin' forum! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
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QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Sep 12 2012, 09:20 PM) *
I'm not sure about the 1M mark...it's hard to crack 1M nowadays. If everyone was a bit more familiar with Sergio, then I'd side with that 1M, but hell, as we saw, Pac/Bradley only did around 700k. I'll just stick with the 300-400k since both guys are first-time headliners. You're on the west coast (I believe), so that may be the BIG difference in ppl talking about it, versus where I am. We never know though.


All you can blame is his promoter and managers...those are usually the first to get blamed (and with good reason). I agree....endorsements and such, have totally passed Sergio by, because of his management. Dude is damn near an Abercrombie & Fitch model, and dresses like a goddamn superstar, but you cant get this guy an endorsement?! Dude should've had his own cologne by now. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Sometimes, a guy's team is either so worried about getting paid, or they play too much into the interest of the fighter (ala Sergio begging for the Chavez fight), that they forget about the little things. As we all know, the little things, is what gets us through things. I'm sure Sergio would've been mad as hell to pose for D&G or American Eagle, while thinking about a Chavez fight, but that shit would've out him in the eye of the public. Poor management.


Yep...not the best purse to match that beatdown he took.


Damn right! What are they thinking? The real promoters are in this very fuckin' forum! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)


good call on the numbers!!!
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- Cshel86   Ward vs Chavez (Topics Merged)   Aug 17 2012, 06:49 PM
- - Gambit808   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Aug 17 2012, 07:49 PM) O...   Aug 17 2012, 08:04 PM
- - Jimmy   Mismatch.Easy work for SOG.   Aug 17 2012, 08:05 PM
- - mrchitown   If Ward decides to stay at SMW, I could see this b...   Aug 17 2012, 10:28 PM
- - Cheesey1   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Aug 17 2012, 07:49 PM) O...   Aug 18 2012, 10:38 PM
- - daprofessor   if they can get past their next opponents...this i...   Aug 19 2012, 02:32 PM
- - Cshel86   Great points guys! I just believe that if the...   Aug 19 2012, 09:12 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Aug 19 2012, 10:12 PM) G...   Aug 20 2012, 03:16 PM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Aug 20 2012, 04:16 P...   Aug 20 2012, 07:35 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Aug 20 2012, 07:35 PM) F...   Aug 20 2012, 08:23 PM
- - Franchize   I can't see Sergio flourishing once the fight ...   Aug 20 2012, 02:26 PM
- - mgrover   I think he'd get schooled, i doubt he could ev...   Aug 20 2012, 07:45 PM
- - Plah   Chavez loses badly against Sergio, Froch and Ward.   Aug 20 2012, 11:06 PM
- - checkleft   I don't think it would be very competitive hon...   Aug 21 2012, 12:35 AM
- - Cshel86   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Aug 20 2012, 09:23 P...   Aug 21 2012, 08:19 AM
|- - Plah   QUOTE C'mon Plah, your mind is still stuck in ...   Aug 22 2012, 09:17 AM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (Plah @ Aug 22 2012, 10:17 AM) I 10...   Aug 22 2012, 09:47 AM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Aug 22 2012, 10:47 AM) I...   Aug 22 2012, 01:51 PM
- - mgrover   i think people give him too much credit for the an...   Aug 21 2012, 09:40 AM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (mgrover @ Aug 21 2012, 09:40 AM) i...   Aug 21 2012, 01:50 PM
- - checkleft   I do agree with your final thoughts professor but ...   Aug 21 2012, 02:03 PM
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- - sduck   Ward would shut him down easy   Aug 23 2012, 06:52 AM
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- - Cshel86   I saw this coming!!!!....... http...   Sep 8 2012, 11:31 PM
|- - The Original MrFactor   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Sep 9 2012, 12:31 AM) I ...   Sep 9 2012, 12:23 AM
- - Plah   Nope.   Sep 8 2012, 11:31 PM
- - Hotsauce   yep   Sep 9 2012, 12:15 AM
- - Hotsauce   does arum want it?   Sep 9 2012, 12:17 AM
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- - neophyte7   Hope Chavez survives Maravilla.. LMAO @Ward vs Cha...   Sep 9 2012, 01:16 PM
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