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> Would You Say A Fighters Ability To Fall & Rise Back To The Top, Merit More Than A Fighter Whom Remains Unbeaten?, Example: Muhammad Ali vs. Rocky Marciano
Gambit808
post Sep 28 2012, 06:16 AM
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Past or Present, the popularity of fighters who've fallin from the top, only to rise back to it, out weighs the significance of the FEW fighters who's records remained Un-beat, yet far more recognition is given to the FLAWED fighters than the FLAWLESS fighter.

Is there something wrong here?

Notably Retired Unbeaten

Rocky Marciano
Joe Calzagie
Ricardo Lopez
Jimmy Barry
Laszlo Papp
Terry Marsh

Notably Retired Greats

Muhammad Ali
Joe Louis
Ray Robinson
Floyd Patterson
Sonny Liston
Willy Pepp
Jack Demsey
George Foreman
Joe Frazier
Mike Tyson
Ray Leonard
Marvin Hagler
Tommy Hearns
Roberto Duran
Julio Ceasar Chavez
Lennox Lewis
Parnell Whitaker
Arron Pryor... To name a few

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BigDDatHomey
post Sep 28 2012, 03:36 PM
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QUOTE (Gambit808 @ Sep 28 2012, 07:16 AM) *
Past or Present, the popularity of fighters who've fallin from the top, only to rise back to it, out weighs the significance of the FEW fighters who's records remained Un-beat, yet far more recognition is given to the FLAWED fighters than the FLAWLESS fighter.

Is there something wrong here?

Notably Retired Unbeaten

Rocky Marciano
Joe Calzagie
Ricardo Lopez
Jimmy Barry
Laszlo Papp
Terry Marsh

Notably Retired Greats

Muhammad Ali
Joe Louis
Ray Robinson
Floyd Patterson
Sonny Liston
Willy Pepp
Jack Demsey
George Foreman
Joe Frazier
Mike Tyson
Ray Leonard
Marvin Hagler
Tommy Hearns
Roberto Duran
Julio Ceasar Chavez
Lennox Lewis
Parnell Whitaker
Arron Pryor... To name a few


Good question. I think in general, there is something to say about someone (even a team) who wins, then loses, and picks themselves back up to be champions once again. With the fight game, unlike a team sport, losing is more personal and you literally take more damage to your body and pride than any other sport. Many of the fights, these great fighters lost, were wars. To come back from losing a war only to show that you're ready for war again shows something special.

To stay on top, also requires another special type of person. It doesn't only matter who you fight, but when you fight, how often you fight, and how long you stay in the game. Eventually, you're going to lose, it doesn't matter who you are.

At the same time, none of that takes away from Floyd Mayweather's greatness.
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post Oct 15 2012, 02:16 PM
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QUOTE (BigDDatHomey @ Sep 28 2012, 04:36 PM) *
Good question. I think in general, there is something to say about someone (even a team) who wins, then loses, and picks themselves back up to be champions once again. With the fight game, unlike a team sport, losing is more personal and you literally take more damage to your body and pride than any other sport. Many of the fights, these great fighters lost, were wars. To come back from losing a war only to show that you're ready for war again shows something special.

To stay on top, also requires another special type of person. It doesn't only matter who you fight, but when you fight, how often you fight, and how long you stay in the game. Eventually, you're going to lose, it doesn't matter who you are.

At the same time, none of that takes away from Floyd Mayweather's greatness.

So would you say Floyd exceeds all the notables on the list if in fact he were to retire with his perfect record intact?

He's been in some wars, and has been the underdog on rare occasions.
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