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> stop with the talk of nonito donaire being P4P, until he proves he's the best in his division
daprofessor
post Oct 15 2012, 06:15 PM
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i've always thought p4p talk was silly and just an excuse for certain fighters to avoid others, but lately, this shit is getting ridiculous. let me put this in perspective...when a guy like floyd dominates at 130 to 135 then moves up to win straps against quality opposition in the 140, 147 and 154 weight classes...ok, i'll listen to p4p talk. when a guy like pac fights 3 of the best fighters(jmm, em, barrera) in his division a total of ten times and comes out on top...yeah, i'll listen to p4p arguments on that one too! u want to be considered p4p one of the best in boxing...prove you are the best in your division. andre ward just fought in a tournament involving all the best at 168....and when the dust settled...he was the last man standing. he has proven to be the best in his division. i don't see anyone out there that would argue otherwise.

when a guy like donaire, who i think has the potential to be something special, chooses not to acknowledge the best in his division...and hasn't really proven to be the best in his division...that's where the p4p discussion needs to end. stop!!! i think agbeko, mares, moreno and rigondeaux all have something to say on the matter. i'm not saying he has to fight all of these guys....but at least beat 1 or 2. maybe a tournament is in order for 122 as well?

what say u?
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post Oct 15 2012, 08:21 PM
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The big elephant in the room is, what division has Nonito even conquered? We can start there.

I mean the only names that he's fought was Darchinyan and Vasquez Jr. People started riding his sack after the Montiel KO, and Nishioka was so hesitant to the point that fans who didn't know him, will never know how good he really was.

That's the shit that bothers me, Donaire knocked Montiel back into his childhood years with a counter left hook, and people crowned him King. I still cant believe this P4P mess is still going on, with his name involved. I mean like the dude's personality, and he's a good fighter, but let's not go overboard here.

As I mentioned recently, he tried to jump ship from Top Rank a little over a year ago, and now Bob is making him pay for it. He's getting stuck in the ring with no name guys who are afraid to fight, but these guys are put in there to make him look good.

Guys who aren't afraid to go in there and crack his head, are being mentioned, but kept away from him. His opponents that are supposed to make him look good, are really hurting him. They're proving that with his high level of athleticism, he still cant break through solid defense.

They have this guy jumping all over the place looking like a fool...and some of them have managed to mess his face up with simple punches (jabs). So again, how in the heck is this dude considered P4P? He cant even stay in a division long enough to save his life.

People are actually saying that this dude doesn't have any competition, like he's a beast, but a guy with a solid jab that he works behind, and isn't afraid to force an exchange with Donaire...makes him look bad. I actually had more respect for Vasquez after the Donaire fight.
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post Oct 16 2012, 12:38 PM
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QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Oct 15 2012, 08:21 PM) *
The big elephant in the room is, what division has Nonito even conquered? We can start there.

I mean the only names that he's fought was Darchinyan and Vasquez Jr. People started riding his sack after the Montiel KO, and Nishioka was so hesitant to the point that fans who didn't know him, will never know how good he really was.

That's the shit that bothers me, Donaire knocked Montiel back into his childhood years with a counter left hook, and people crowned him King. I still cant believe this P4P mess is still going on, with his name involved. I mean like the dude's personality, and he's a good fighter, but let's not go overboard here.

As I mentioned recently, he tried to jump ship from Top Rank a little over a year ago, and now Bob is making him pay for it. He's getting stuck in the ring with no name guys who are afraid to fight, but these guys are put in there to make him look good.

Guys who aren't afraid to go in there and crack his head, are being mentioned, but kept away from him. His opponents that are supposed to make him look good, are really hurting him. They're proving that with his high level of athleticism, he still cant break through solid defense.

They have this guy jumping all over the place looking like a fool...and some of them have managed to mess his face up with simple punches (jabs). So again, how in the heck is this dude considered P4P? He cant even stay in a division long enough to save his life.

People are actually saying that this dude doesn't have any competition, like he's a beast, but a guy with a solid jab that he works behind, and isn't afraid to force an exchange with Donaire...makes him look bad. I actually had more respect for Vasquez after the Donaire fight.


i agree with almost everything in this post...except for the part about bob making him pay for it...i think bob is protecting him and looking to capitalize on the filipino fans with donaire.

toprank resigned rigondeaux with the promise that he'd get donaire in 3 fights...rigondeaux signed a 18 month extension. i'm not holding my breath on that happening. donaire posted some stuff saying he's willing to fight him if his name is on the contract. easy statement to make when u know your promoter has no intention of making that match.
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- daprofessor   stop with the talk of nonito donaire being P4P   Oct 15 2012, 06:15 PM
- - Cshel86   Class is officially in fuckin' session! Th...   Oct 15 2012, 06:19 PM
- - checkleft   This is a thread that I have made in my head a mil...   Oct 15 2012, 07:22 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (checkleft @ Oct 15 2012, 07:22 PM)...   Oct 15 2012, 07:26 PM
- - Cshel86   The big elephant in the room is, what division has...   Oct 15 2012, 08:21 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Oct 15 2012, 08:21 PM) T...   Oct 16 2012, 12:38 PM
- - leonthegee   Nonito has p4p talent. He doesnt have a p4p resume...   Oct 15 2012, 08:26 PM
|- - bnoles4life   QUOTE (leonthegee @ Oct 15 2012, 09:26 PM...   Oct 16 2012, 07:26 AM
- - Jovi   Thank you for posting this, i came on this site ho...   Oct 15 2012, 11:56 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Jovi @ Oct 15 2012, 11:56 PM) Than...   Oct 16 2012, 12:42 PM
- - Cshel86   The problem with the boxing world, is that they ar...   Oct 16 2012, 07:12 AM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Oct 16 2012, 07:12 AM) T...   Oct 16 2012, 12:53 PM
- - BoxingEinstein   SMH at this post, some of you are the same people ...   Oct 16 2012, 01:39 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (BoxingEinstein @ Oct 16 2012, 02:3...   Oct 16 2012, 02:12 PM
|- - BoxingEinstein   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Oct 16 2012, 03:12 P...   Oct 16 2012, 02:34 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (BoxingEinstein @ Oct 16 2012, 03:3...   Oct 16 2012, 03:48 PM
|- - BoxingEinstein   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Oct 16 2012, 04:48 P...   Oct 16 2012, 06:05 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (BoxingEinstein @ Oct 16 2012, 07:0...   Oct 16 2012, 06:16 PM
|- - BoxingEinstein   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Oct 16 2012, 07:16 P...   Oct 16 2012, 06:47 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (BoxingEinstein @ Oct 16 2012, 07:4...   Oct 16 2012, 08:30 PM
- - flazi   if you think donaire wil smoke rigondueax, you are...   Oct 16 2012, 02:08 PM
- - mgrover   maybe if he beats mares, rigon, etc etc etc but no...   Oct 16 2012, 02:59 PM
|- - BoxingEinstein   QUOTE (mgrover @ Oct 16 2012, 03:59 PM) m...   Oct 16 2012, 03:24 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (BoxingEinstein @ Oct 16 2012, 04:2...   Oct 16 2012, 03:50 PM
|- - mgrover   QUOTE (BoxingEinstein @ Oct 16 2012, 09:2...   Oct 16 2012, 05:47 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (mgrover @ Oct 16 2012, 06:47 PM) t...   Oct 16 2012, 06:09 PM
|- - BoxingEinstein   QUOTE (mgrover @ Oct 16 2012, 06:47 PM) t...   Oct 16 2012, 06:30 PM
|- - mgrover   QUOTE (BoxingEinstein @ Oct 17 2012, 12:3...   Oct 17 2012, 05:23 AM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (mgrover @ Oct 17 2012, 05:23 AM) m...   Oct 17 2012, 12:25 PM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (BoxingEinstein @ Oct 16 2012, 03:2...   Oct 16 2012, 03:37 PM
- - Cshel86   Donaire has yet to be tested himself, and he barel...   Oct 16 2012, 03:40 PM
- - Cshel86   Who has Donaire beat? Montiel? That was a nice kno...   Oct 16 2012, 08:22 PM
- - Cshel86   I may be in the minority here, but here it goes. I...   Oct 16 2012, 10:55 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Oct 16 2012, 10:55 PM) I...   Oct 17 2012, 12:24 PM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Oct 17 2012, 01:24 P...   Oct 17 2012, 12:33 PM
- - Franchize   As soon as I saw this topic, I knew Cshel was read...   Oct 17 2012, 09:51 AM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (Franchize @ Oct 17 2012, 10:51 AM)...   Oct 17 2012, 10:51 AM
- - daprofessor   to donaire's credit....i agree with max when h...   Oct 17 2012, 12:52 PM
- - leonthegee   If Rigo is as good as everybody thinks he is than ...   Oct 17 2012, 01:16 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (leonthegee @ Oct 17 2012, 01:16 PM...   Oct 17 2012, 02:01 PM
|- - leonthegee   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Oct 17 2012, 12:01 P...   Oct 17 2012, 03:43 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (leonthegee @ Oct 17 2012, 03:43 PM...   Oct 17 2012, 04:37 PM
|- - leonthegee   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Oct 17 2012, 02:37 P...   Oct 17 2012, 06:10 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (leonthegee @ Oct 17 2012, 06:10 PM...   Oct 17 2012, 06:37 PM
- - daprofessor   searching the rankings...i came across this poll o...   Oct 17 2012, 02:03 PM
- - flazi   i don't think rigo can wait. he is getting up...   Oct 17 2012, 03:08 PM
- - daprofessor   so it was looking like arce was going to be next.....   Oct 23 2012, 03:36 PM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Oct 23 2012, 04:36 P...   Oct 23 2012, 07:14 PM
- - daprofessor   QUOTE (checkleft @ Oct 23 2012, 08:14 PM)...   Oct 23 2012, 09:02 PM


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