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> stop with the talk of nonito donaire being P4P, until he proves he's the best in his division
daprofessor
post Oct 15 2012, 06:15 PM
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i've always thought p4p talk was silly and just an excuse for certain fighters to avoid others, but lately, this shit is getting ridiculous. let me put this in perspective...when a guy like floyd dominates at 130 to 135 then moves up to win straps against quality opposition in the 140, 147 and 154 weight classes...ok, i'll listen to p4p talk. when a guy like pac fights 3 of the best fighters(jmm, em, barrera) in his division a total of ten times and comes out on top...yeah, i'll listen to p4p arguments on that one too! u want to be considered p4p one of the best in boxing...prove you are the best in your division. andre ward just fought in a tournament involving all the best at 168....and when the dust settled...he was the last man standing. he has proven to be the best in his division. i don't see anyone out there that would argue otherwise.

when a guy like donaire, who i think has the potential to be something special, chooses not to acknowledge the best in his division...and hasn't really proven to be the best in his division...that's where the p4p discussion needs to end. stop!!! i think agbeko, mares, moreno and rigondeaux all have something to say on the matter. i'm not saying he has to fight all of these guys....but at least beat 1 or 2. maybe a tournament is in order for 122 as well?

what say u?
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post Oct 17 2012, 01:16 PM
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If Rigo is as good as everybody thinks he is than he can wait another year. Build up his fanbase. Fight a couple more national televised fights. Make it so Nonito cant duck him. Dont be a Margarito and call out somebody than get TKOd by Daniel Santos. It would be better for Rigo in the long run. Boxing is a business first and the only way both fighters can make the money they both want to make is if Rigo makes a name for himself first. It attracts more sponsers. HBO has invested a ton in Nonito and they dont want put him in harms way for just anybody.
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post Oct 17 2012, 02:01 PM
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QUOTE (leonthegee @ Oct 17 2012, 01:16 PM) *
If Rigo is as good as everybody thinks he is than he can wait another year. Build up his fanbase. Fight a couple more national televised fights. Make it so Nonito cant duck him. Dont be a Margarito and call out somebody than get TKOd by Daniel Santos. It would be better for Rigo in the long run. Boxing is a business first and the only way both fighters can make the money they both want to make is if Rigo makes a name for himself first. It attracts more sponsers. HBO has invested a ton in Nonito and they dont want put him in harms way for just anybody.


i partially agree with this.

i think this is the sort of fight that produces a star. the only way that fight gets huge is if there's some kind of tournament. or if they both fight on the same card once or twice...similar to what has been done in the past. sure, it'll raise awareness...but look what happened the last time arum tried to do that with gamboa and juanma. we had the same opportunity with khan/bradley...at least in that situation...i get why bradley balked at the khan fight. here we have an opportunity to clear any doubt. donaire has 2 titles....rigondeaux has 1, mares has the other. who was the last fighter to hold all 4 titles at once? these guys have an opportunity at greatness here. the paydays are inevitable. sitting around waiting for a super fight to grow...it'll never happen. they need to make it happen. i know mares wants it. he's fighting moreno next and has expressed a huge interest in fighting donaire and rigondeaux. rigondeaux also wants it...he's the one who extended his contract with the devil to get the fight. the only one that doesn't want it is donaire.
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Oct 17 2012, 12:01 PM) *
i partially agree with this.

i think this is the sort of fight that produces a star. the only way that fight gets huge is if there's some kind of tournament. or if they both fight on the same card once or twice...similar to what has been done in the past. sure, it'll raise awareness...but look what happened the last time arum tried to do that with gamboa and juanma. we had the same opportunity with khan/bradley...at least in that situation...i get why bradley balked at the khan fight. here we have an opportunity to clear any doubt. donaire has 2 titles....rigondeaux has 1, mares has the other. who was the last fighter to hold all 4 titles at once? these guys have an opportunity at greatness here. the paydays are inevitable. sitting around waiting for a super fight to grow...it'll never happen. they need to make it happen. i know mares wants it. he's fighting moreno next and has expressed a huge interest in fighting donaire and rigondeaux. rigondeaux also wants it...he's the one who extended his contract with the devil to get the fight. the only one that doesn't want it is donaire.


I believe Donaire does want it. Hes a fighter. Someone has to win and somebody has to loose. Every fighter has to excepts that thats why they fight. Otherwise theyd go get a real. Nonito took on Darch after he broke his brothers jaw. You dont get to that level being afraid of fighters. Now I do believe Arum has his own agenda. He cant afford to replace Nonito with Rigo until Rigo is ready to bring Nonito type income. We saw this with Bradley. Not only can Bradley not bring in Pacquiao income he cant even get a fight now.
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- daprofessor   stop with the talk of nonito donaire being P4P   Oct 15 2012, 06:15 PM
- - Cshel86   Class is officially in fuckin' session! Th...   Oct 15 2012, 06:19 PM
- - checkleft   This is a thread that I have made in my head a mil...   Oct 15 2012, 07:22 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (checkleft @ Oct 15 2012, 07:22 PM)...   Oct 15 2012, 07:26 PM
- - Cshel86   The big elephant in the room is, what division has...   Oct 15 2012, 08:21 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Oct 15 2012, 08:21 PM) T...   Oct 16 2012, 12:38 PM
- - leonthegee   Nonito has p4p talent. He doesnt have a p4p resume...   Oct 15 2012, 08:26 PM
|- - bnoles4life   QUOTE (leonthegee @ Oct 15 2012, 09:26 PM...   Oct 16 2012, 07:26 AM
- - Jovi   Thank you for posting this, i came on this site ho...   Oct 15 2012, 11:56 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Jovi @ Oct 15 2012, 11:56 PM) Than...   Oct 16 2012, 12:42 PM
- - Cshel86   The problem with the boxing world, is that they ar...   Oct 16 2012, 07:12 AM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Oct 16 2012, 07:12 AM) T...   Oct 16 2012, 12:53 PM
- - BoxingEinstein   SMH at this post, some of you are the same people ...   Oct 16 2012, 01:39 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (BoxingEinstein @ Oct 16 2012, 02:3...   Oct 16 2012, 02:12 PM
|- - BoxingEinstein   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Oct 16 2012, 03:12 P...   Oct 16 2012, 02:34 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (BoxingEinstein @ Oct 16 2012, 03:3...   Oct 16 2012, 03:48 PM
|- - BoxingEinstein   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Oct 16 2012, 04:48 P...   Oct 16 2012, 06:05 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (BoxingEinstein @ Oct 16 2012, 07:0...   Oct 16 2012, 06:16 PM
|- - BoxingEinstein   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Oct 16 2012, 07:16 P...   Oct 16 2012, 06:47 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (BoxingEinstein @ Oct 16 2012, 07:4...   Oct 16 2012, 08:30 PM
- - flazi   if you think donaire wil smoke rigondueax, you are...   Oct 16 2012, 02:08 PM
- - mgrover   maybe if he beats mares, rigon, etc etc etc but no...   Oct 16 2012, 02:59 PM
|- - BoxingEinstein   QUOTE (mgrover @ Oct 16 2012, 03:59 PM) m...   Oct 16 2012, 03:24 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (BoxingEinstein @ Oct 16 2012, 04:2...   Oct 16 2012, 03:50 PM
|- - mgrover   QUOTE (BoxingEinstein @ Oct 16 2012, 09:2...   Oct 16 2012, 05:47 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (mgrover @ Oct 16 2012, 06:47 PM) t...   Oct 16 2012, 06:09 PM
|- - BoxingEinstein   QUOTE (mgrover @ Oct 16 2012, 06:47 PM) t...   Oct 16 2012, 06:30 PM
|- - mgrover   QUOTE (BoxingEinstein @ Oct 17 2012, 12:3...   Oct 17 2012, 05:23 AM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (mgrover @ Oct 17 2012, 05:23 AM) m...   Oct 17 2012, 12:25 PM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (BoxingEinstein @ Oct 16 2012, 03:2...   Oct 16 2012, 03:37 PM
- - Cshel86   Donaire has yet to be tested himself, and he barel...   Oct 16 2012, 03:40 PM
- - Cshel86   Who has Donaire beat? Montiel? That was a nice kno...   Oct 16 2012, 08:22 PM
- - Cshel86   I may be in the minority here, but here it goes. I...   Oct 16 2012, 10:55 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Oct 16 2012, 10:55 PM) I...   Oct 17 2012, 12:24 PM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Oct 17 2012, 01:24 P...   Oct 17 2012, 12:33 PM
- - Franchize   As soon as I saw this topic, I knew Cshel was read...   Oct 17 2012, 09:51 AM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (Franchize @ Oct 17 2012, 10:51 AM)...   Oct 17 2012, 10:51 AM
- - daprofessor   to donaire's credit....i agree with max when h...   Oct 17 2012, 12:52 PM
- - leonthegee   If Rigo is as good as everybody thinks he is than ...   Oct 17 2012, 01:16 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (leonthegee @ Oct 17 2012, 01:16 PM...   Oct 17 2012, 02:01 PM
|- - leonthegee   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Oct 17 2012, 12:01 P...   Oct 17 2012, 03:43 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (leonthegee @ Oct 17 2012, 03:43 PM...   Oct 17 2012, 04:37 PM
|- - leonthegee   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Oct 17 2012, 02:37 P...   Oct 17 2012, 06:10 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (leonthegee @ Oct 17 2012, 06:10 PM...   Oct 17 2012, 06:37 PM
- - daprofessor   searching the rankings...i came across this poll o...   Oct 17 2012, 02:03 PM
- - flazi   i don't think rigo can wait. he is getting up...   Oct 17 2012, 03:08 PM
- - daprofessor   so it was looking like arce was going to be next.....   Oct 23 2012, 03:36 PM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Oct 23 2012, 04:36 P...   Oct 23 2012, 07:14 PM
- - daprofessor   QUOTE (checkleft @ Oct 23 2012, 08:14 PM)...   Oct 23 2012, 09:02 PM


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