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> stop with the talk of nonito donaire being P4P, until he proves he's the best in his division
daprofessor
post Oct 15 2012, 06:15 PM
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i've always thought p4p talk was silly and just an excuse for certain fighters to avoid others, but lately, this shit is getting ridiculous. let me put this in perspective...when a guy like floyd dominates at 130 to 135 then moves up to win straps against quality opposition in the 140, 147 and 154 weight classes...ok, i'll listen to p4p talk. when a guy like pac fights 3 of the best fighters(jmm, em, barrera) in his division a total of ten times and comes out on top...yeah, i'll listen to p4p arguments on that one too! u want to be considered p4p one of the best in boxing...prove you are the best in your division. andre ward just fought in a tournament involving all the best at 168....and when the dust settled...he was the last man standing. he has proven to be the best in his division. i don't see anyone out there that would argue otherwise.

when a guy like donaire, who i think has the potential to be something special, chooses not to acknowledge the best in his division...and hasn't really proven to be the best in his division...that's where the p4p discussion needs to end. stop!!! i think agbeko, mares, moreno and rigondeaux all have something to say on the matter. i'm not saying he has to fight all of these guys....but at least beat 1 or 2. maybe a tournament is in order for 122 as well?

what say u?
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post Oct 16 2012, 01:39 PM
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SMH at this post, some of you are the same people who said Nishioka would be Donaire's stiffest test because of his decent power, killer speed, intelligence, and pacing. Donaire smashes the fool and makes him hesitant to exchange since the 1st bell and you guys denounce him. Donaire has p4p skill and I believe he will be a p4p force. Nishioka is no pushover and he knew Donaire could put his lights at anytime and he was right to play it safe. That cuban fighter you guys keep naming will get smoked all the same and you guys will all say he still isn't p4p worthy. The hate!!!!!!!!!
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post Oct 16 2012, 02:12 PM
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QUOTE (BoxingEinstein @ Oct 16 2012, 02:39 PM) *
SMH at this post, some of you are the same people who said Nishioka would be Donaire's stiffest test because of his decent power, killer speed, intelligence, and pacing. Donaire smashes the fool and makes him hesitant to exchange since the 1st bell and you guys denounce him. Donaire has p4p skill and I believe he will be a p4p force. Nishioka is no pushover and he knew Donaire could put his lights at anytime and he was right to play it safe. That cuban fighter you guys keep naming will get smoked all the same and you guys will all say he still isn't p4p worthy. The hate!!!!!!!!!


i think u need to re-read this thread. no one is questioning his skill. we all pretty much agree he has amazing skill. my question to u...how was nishioka crowned the best in the division? surely it wasn't because of his win over an old shop worn rafael marquez. jhonny gonzalez is decent opposition...but hardly the kind of guy that makes u the best in the division. help me understand. clearly...skillwise...rigondeaux is very high. i would argue higher than nishioka. obviously...aside from his strap and two gold medals...he doesn't have the resume to make him the best either. mares and moreno have both signed to fight it out to see who's best. i think both are highly skilled and regarded and a win for either is a bigger accomplishment than anything both donaire and rigondeaux have done at 122. like my post that started this thread said...i don't expect him to fight all of them...but it would be nice to see him prove he's the best. agbeko deserves to be in the conversation as well.

no hate here my friend. try again.
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post Oct 16 2012, 02:34 PM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Oct 16 2012, 03:12 PM) *
i think u need to re-read this thread. no one is questioning his skill. we all pretty much agree he has amazing skill. my question to u...how was nishioka crowned the best in the division? surely it wasn't because of his win over an old shop worn rafael marquez. jhonny gonzalez is decent opposition...but hardly the kind of guy that makes u the best in the division. help me understand. clearly...skillwise...rigondeaux is very high. i would argue higher than nishioka. obviously...aside from his strap and two gold medals...he doesn't have the resume to make him the best either. mares and moreno have both signed to fight it out to see who's best. i think both are highly skilled and regarded and a win for either is a bigger accomplishment than anything both donaire and rigondeaux have done at 122. like my post that started this thread said...i don't expect him to fight all of them...but it would be nice to see him prove he's the best. agbeko deserves to be in the conversation as well.

no hate here my friend. try again.


I'll say it again but in terms you can understand my friend. Nishioka has done more than the Cuban Prune and has certainly earned it. Shop worn or not Marquez still has a pulse. Nishioka confused and baffled a war veteran and fighter who always brings hell to any fighter on the other side of the ring. Nishioka defeated a good fighter in Gonzalez and defeated a very underated, terrific fighter in Veeraphol Sahaprom. Skillwise? Donaire is more skilled because he's faced different types of styles and better opposition. The Cuban Prune hasn't faced a fighter that can allow me to say..oh he has skills and he can take on Donaire. Your giving The Cuban Prune more than he can chew. Amateur experience is different than pro, if you guys want Rigo to taste defeat early in his late career then fine. Donaire isn't the right tree to be barking up against, let The Cuban Prune face someone like Vazquez Jr. or the winner of Mares/Moreno before he can face the Filipino Flash.
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- daprofessor   stop with the talk of nonito donaire being P4P   Oct 15 2012, 06:15 PM
- - Cshel86   Class is officially in fuckin' session! Th...   Oct 15 2012, 06:19 PM
- - checkleft   This is a thread that I have made in my head a mil...   Oct 15 2012, 07:22 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (checkleft @ Oct 15 2012, 07:22 PM)...   Oct 15 2012, 07:26 PM
- - Cshel86   The big elephant in the room is, what division has...   Oct 15 2012, 08:21 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Oct 15 2012, 08:21 PM) T...   Oct 16 2012, 12:38 PM
- - leonthegee   Nonito has p4p talent. He doesnt have a p4p resume...   Oct 15 2012, 08:26 PM
|- - bnoles4life   QUOTE (leonthegee @ Oct 15 2012, 09:26 PM...   Oct 16 2012, 07:26 AM
- - Jovi   Thank you for posting this, i came on this site ho...   Oct 15 2012, 11:56 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Jovi @ Oct 15 2012, 11:56 PM) Than...   Oct 16 2012, 12:42 PM
- - Cshel86   The problem with the boxing world, is that they ar...   Oct 16 2012, 07:12 AM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Oct 16 2012, 07:12 AM) T...   Oct 16 2012, 12:53 PM
- - BoxingEinstein   SMH at this post, some of you are the same people ...   Oct 16 2012, 01:39 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (BoxingEinstein @ Oct 16 2012, 02:3...   Oct 16 2012, 02:12 PM
|- - BoxingEinstein   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Oct 16 2012, 03:12 P...   Oct 16 2012, 02:34 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (BoxingEinstein @ Oct 16 2012, 03:3...   Oct 16 2012, 03:48 PM
|- - BoxingEinstein   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Oct 16 2012, 04:48 P...   Oct 16 2012, 06:05 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (BoxingEinstein @ Oct 16 2012, 07:0...   Oct 16 2012, 06:16 PM
|- - BoxingEinstein   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Oct 16 2012, 07:16 P...   Oct 16 2012, 06:47 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (BoxingEinstein @ Oct 16 2012, 07:4...   Oct 16 2012, 08:30 PM
- - flazi   if you think donaire wil smoke rigondueax, you are...   Oct 16 2012, 02:08 PM
- - mgrover   maybe if he beats mares, rigon, etc etc etc but no...   Oct 16 2012, 02:59 PM
|- - BoxingEinstein   QUOTE (mgrover @ Oct 16 2012, 03:59 PM) m...   Oct 16 2012, 03:24 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (BoxingEinstein @ Oct 16 2012, 04:2...   Oct 16 2012, 03:50 PM
|- - mgrover   QUOTE (BoxingEinstein @ Oct 16 2012, 09:2...   Oct 16 2012, 05:47 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (mgrover @ Oct 16 2012, 06:47 PM) t...   Oct 16 2012, 06:09 PM
|- - BoxingEinstein   QUOTE (mgrover @ Oct 16 2012, 06:47 PM) t...   Oct 16 2012, 06:30 PM
|- - mgrover   QUOTE (BoxingEinstein @ Oct 17 2012, 12:3...   Oct 17 2012, 05:23 AM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (mgrover @ Oct 17 2012, 05:23 AM) m...   Oct 17 2012, 12:25 PM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (BoxingEinstein @ Oct 16 2012, 03:2...   Oct 16 2012, 03:37 PM
- - Cshel86   Donaire has yet to be tested himself, and he barel...   Oct 16 2012, 03:40 PM
- - Cshel86   Who has Donaire beat? Montiel? That was a nice kno...   Oct 16 2012, 08:22 PM
- - Cshel86   I may be in the minority here, but here it goes. I...   Oct 16 2012, 10:55 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Oct 16 2012, 10:55 PM) I...   Oct 17 2012, 12:24 PM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Oct 17 2012, 01:24 P...   Oct 17 2012, 12:33 PM
- - Franchize   As soon as I saw this topic, I knew Cshel was read...   Oct 17 2012, 09:51 AM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (Franchize @ Oct 17 2012, 10:51 AM)...   Oct 17 2012, 10:51 AM
- - daprofessor   to donaire's credit....i agree with max when h...   Oct 17 2012, 12:52 PM
- - leonthegee   If Rigo is as good as everybody thinks he is than ...   Oct 17 2012, 01:16 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (leonthegee @ Oct 17 2012, 01:16 PM...   Oct 17 2012, 02:01 PM
|- - leonthegee   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Oct 17 2012, 12:01 P...   Oct 17 2012, 03:43 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (leonthegee @ Oct 17 2012, 03:43 PM...   Oct 17 2012, 04:37 PM
|- - leonthegee   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Oct 17 2012, 02:37 P...   Oct 17 2012, 06:10 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (leonthegee @ Oct 17 2012, 06:10 PM...   Oct 17 2012, 06:37 PM
- - daprofessor   searching the rankings...i came across this poll o...   Oct 17 2012, 02:03 PM
- - flazi   i don't think rigo can wait. he is getting up...   Oct 17 2012, 03:08 PM
- - daprofessor   so it was looking like arce was going to be next.....   Oct 23 2012, 03:36 PM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Oct 23 2012, 04:36 P...   Oct 23 2012, 07:14 PM
- - daprofessor   QUOTE (checkleft @ Oct 23 2012, 08:14 PM)...   Oct 23 2012, 09:02 PM


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