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post Nov 11 2012, 02:42 AM
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Well this thread is basically about your least favorite refs.

Watched the katsidids fight against guerrero and he was freaking terrible. Robert was holding behind the head and punching he didn't count a knockdown and he deducted two points from katsidids without any previous warning for low blows when the shot wasn't intentional. Which is ironic cause in the agbeko fight he failed to call low blows lol

What are your least favorite officials?
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post Nov 12 2012, 01:29 PM
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mora, draculich, raul caiz jr and sr., cole and jay nady all suck.

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post Nov 13 2012, 12:14 AM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Nov 12 2012, 12:29 PM) *
mora, draculich, raul caiz jr and sr., cole and jay nady all suck.

Good thread!

I think that there are refs that suck, but for different reasons why they suck:

Lawrence Cole: Sucks because of the fact that there is a conflict of interest because father Dick Cole runs the commission. Dick Cole was a former WBC Supervisor and ref himself. The Cole's are well-off. The family has an insurance company who's fighters have invested in this company. There are father and son teams in boxing, Larry Hazzard ran the New Jersey Commission for years- (Called the Control board.) His son Larrry Jr. is a judge and has supervised for the IBF and WBC over the years. But Hazzard NEVER worked a fight as ref where his son was part of the officiating team because he once said himself, "that's a conflict of interest, and not good for boxing.

Laurence Cole is biased toward Texas fighters and the home town guy. If he's brought in as a neutral ref, he's much better.

Jay Nady: Runs hot and cold for me, Usually Warm. He used to stop fights a little too fast, but I don't think he shows much bias.

Vic Draculich- Who I call Vic Dracula because for some reason he kind of reminds me of a human Dracula! LOL! His problem is that he's relatively inexperienced in major fights. He is there too much and in the faces of the fighters too much. (He's sort of a modern Cortez)

Joe Cortez: Finally retired. Fifteen years ago and before he was one of the best. Aging caught up to him. "Fair but firm" would watch over the fighters like a Mother Hen and put himself in the spot-light. In later years, legendary ref Arther Mercante Sr. did the same thing. Compare that to Arther's fights from the 60's to 70's or Cortez from the 70's to early 90's. You only saw him when you needed to see them. He fell for Lorenszo's acting con job in the fist Soto fight with that bullshit DQ. Probably one of the worst calls in the history of refing! Thankfully the WBC upon review ordered a rematch and declared the first fight a no-contest. Nevdada refused to change Coretez's DQ call

Pat Russell: Used to be one of my favorite refs and I agree with his stoppage of the Rios-Alverado fight. He fucked up badly, very badly in Hopkins-Dawson I, and will probably be remembered more for that aweful call than all the years and fights he did right. He's a good judge too.

Russell Mora: Has improved since the Mares-Agbeko I outrage with all of those low blows. But is known as a Golden Boy favored ref, even before the Mares-Agbeko fight

I see a problem with the bias of California, Texas, and New Mexico protecting the star fighters of Mexican and Latin American origin. And the WBC being ruled by a Mexican President falling into the promotional interest of Golden Boy Promotions by "protecting" their stars. I think if you put Raul Caiz Sr and Raul Caiz Jr. in a neutral setting, they would be fine. But bloodlines and heritage run deep, in addition to crowd hostility if these guys go against the home town hero. Native Latin American/Mexican judges and refs will protect their undefeated Latin-American/Mexican fighter, sometimes very subtly.

I am not sure that all of this can be attributed to coincidence. But the answer to greatly reduce bias. Bring in neutral officials, especially for the big world title fights! However, these commissions are often so insistent on using their own officials. Having a Mexican Ref or judge against a Mexican undefeated fighter in California, Texas, Mexico, Arizona could bring out bias and often does. However, if you take the refs like Raul Caiz Sr and Raul Caiz Jr, and put them in East Coast venues, they can be fair.

A British ref working a fight involving a British undefeated superstar, same problem. And how many times are Ricky Hatton's shoelaces gonna come untied in his comeback fight? That fights almost a waste to watch because the handwriting's on the wall.

Boxing has gotten more international judges for the big fights. I think Commissions need to use more outside refs. That will help reduce the bias.

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