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Jack 1000
post Nov 24 2012, 12:18 PM
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post Nov 25 2012, 01:41 AM
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Not trying to be a hater but I didnt see anything in Guerrero that had me walking away any more impressed with him. Both guys fought with a lot of guts but from a skill standpoint, I still don't see anything that warrants Guerrero talking the shit he has been. I can't take away the effort he put forth though. He worked in there. I thought he was being an asshole in the post fight when Berto was talking. Bertowasnt trying to make excuses. He was imply agreeing with Max and Guerrero threw a hissy fit. He was talking cash shit as if he didnt get hit all night himself. I had the fight WAY closer. I actually had Berto winning rounds 5, 10 and 11 unlike Lederman. I think the knockdowns were the difference. Both guys have huge holes in their games though. At some point Berto has to decide whether he wants to be a guy who's known for these drag out brawsl, most recently ending in defeat... Or is he going to utilize his physical gifts and start boxing liek someone with some ring generalship and IQ. I think it starts with changing trainers. I've seen his trainer drop the ball in too many of his fights. He kept telling him to squat and not lean all night. Maybe it was something they worked on that they thought would pay dividends but there were far more pressing opportunities and things to correct in that fight.

All in all, damn the fight and it's participants. I've seen enough brawls. I was hoping for a real boxing match. Either way, decent fight to watch. Both guys left it in the ring. The bigger matter to me was the horrendous officiating. Like seriously...WTF was that? Had to be one of the worst I've seen in a while. Guerrero held and hit all night. He was jamming his head into Bertos eye. Then, when he clearly made an effort to close the real estate and grapple, the ref takes away Berto's only defense by erroneously calling hit's behind the head and blaming him for holding. But the most egregious thing was the 15 punch combo he allowed Guerrero after the final bell. One or two in the heat of the moment...ok. But Berto had literally stopped fighting and Robert Guerrero was just tee-ing off for about 10 seconds str8.

Guerrero won fair and square...but Berto had every right to call the ref on his shit. That's not just itpicking. Guerrero's tactics were huge weapons in the fight. When their hands were free during the middle and end of the fight, Berto was lacing him with shots.
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- Jack 1000   HBO@10PM(ET)/7PM(PT): Berto vs. Guerrero-SPOILERS   Nov 24 2012, 12:18 PM
- - mitukczuk   Dear God, please give us that good'ol Berto wi...   Nov 24 2012, 01:45 PM
- - Cshel86   Totally agree with Mit, on his hopes for this even...   Nov 24 2012, 01:58 PM
- - mitukczuk   Totally agree, C'. I might be home to actual...   Nov 24 2012, 02:05 PM
- - Jack 1000   'll take Guerrero by SD. But it only takes one...   Nov 24 2012, 03:53 PM
- - Plah   I say Guerrero 7 rounds to Berto's 5.   Nov 24 2012, 04:07 PM
- - Cshel86   QUOTE (mitukczuk @ Nov 24 2012, 02:05 PM)...   Nov 24 2012, 08:24 PM
- - Cshel86   As for the Quintana/Thurman fight...I like Thurman...   Nov 24 2012, 08:30 PM
- - mitukczuk   Ok, im pretty sure i will survive an upset now, so...   Nov 24 2012, 09:42 PM
- - Cheesey1   Should be very competitive. Picking Berto. Thurma...   Nov 24 2012, 09:57 PM
- - Cshel86   Im here! Full of Henny...of course! I see ...   Nov 24 2012, 10:00 PM
- - Cshel86   Quintana is keeping Thurman busy with this movemen...   Nov 24 2012, 10:15 PM
- - Plah   Ouch   Nov 24 2012, 10:16 PM
- - Gambit808   The day of the Body Shots lol   Nov 24 2012, 10:17 PM
- - Cshel86   Good job for Quintana for running around until he ...   Nov 24 2012, 10:21 PM
- - Gambit808   Sooner or later Quintana's gonna get tired and...   Nov 24 2012, 10:25 PM
- - Cshel86   I fuckin' HATE when pro fighters refuse to tak...   Nov 24 2012, 10:28 PM
- - Gambit808   Ok KT, now I'm impressed. Wus up with the catc...   Nov 24 2012, 10:30 PM
- - Cheesey1   Interesting. Broner calls out Pacqauio.   Nov 24 2012, 10:38 PM
|- - Gambit808   QUOTE (Cheesey1 @ Nov 24 2012, 11:38 PM) ...   Nov 24 2012, 10:48 PM
|- - Cheesey1   QUOTE (Gambit808 @ Nov 24 2012, 10:48 PM)...   Nov 24 2012, 10:55 PM
- - Gambit808   What's with Jim and these "on the fence...   Nov 24 2012, 10:45 PM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (Gambit808 @ Nov 24 2012, 10:45 PM)...   Nov 24 2012, 10:45 PM
- - Cshel86   Guerrero's had a hard career outside of the ri...   Nov 24 2012, 10:51 PM
- - Gambit808   I'm going with Berto by KO.   Nov 24 2012, 10:51 PM
- - leonthegee   Good fight for Thurman. I still want to see him in...   Nov 24 2012, 10:52 PM
- - Gambit808   What if someone pulled that skull mask off of that...   Nov 24 2012, 10:55 PM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (Gambit808 @ Nov 24 2012, 10:55 PM)...   Nov 24 2012, 10:56 PM
||- - Gambit808   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Nov 24 2012, 11:56 PM) W...   Nov 24 2012, 11:00 PM
|- - Jack 1000   QUOTE (Gambit808 @ Nov 24 2012, 09:55 PM)...   Nov 25 2012, 02:22 PM
- - Gambit808   Looks like Berto should try his own style instead ...   Nov 24 2012, 10:59 PM
- - Genius   Berto proving the philly shell is not easy to do H...   Nov 24 2012, 10:59 PM
- - leonthegee   If you don't have the D don't use the shou...   Nov 24 2012, 11:01 PM
- - Cshel86   Why is Guerrero able to get away with all of this ...   Nov 24 2012, 11:02 PM
- - Cheesey1   Berto. It's not looking good (especially with...   Nov 24 2012, 11:03 PM
- - Plah   Berto getting bullied hard... weird fight.   Nov 24 2012, 11:07 PM
- - Cshel86   Guerrero is fighting like a little bitch with all ...   Nov 24 2012, 11:07 PM
- - BigFightFan   Berto needs to create space if he wants to win   Nov 24 2012, 11:09 PM
|- - Cheesey1   QUOTE (BigFightFan @ Nov 24 2012, 11:09 P...   Nov 24 2012, 11:17 PM
- - Cshel86   Funny how Robert is backing up since Berto's l...   Nov 24 2012, 11:11 PM
- - Cshel86   Guerrero's NOT taking advantage of the present...   Nov 24 2012, 11:14 PM
|- - Plah   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Nov 25 2012, 12:14 AM) G...   Nov 24 2012, 11:16 PM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (Plah @ Nov 24 2012, 11:16 PM) Ref ...   Nov 24 2012, 11:17 PM
|- - Cheesey1   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Nov 24 2012, 11:17 PM) I...   Nov 24 2012, 11:44 PM
- - BigFightFan   This ref needs to retire ASAP   Nov 24 2012, 11:16 PM
- - Cshel86   Guerrero aint SHIT without that left hand, he look...   Nov 24 2012, 11:20 PM
- - Cshel86   Damn...round 7 was not for children. Good round ...   Nov 24 2012, 11:23 PM
|- - Cheesey1   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Nov 24 2012, 11:23 PM) D...   Nov 24 2012, 11:24 PM
- - Cheesey1   Damn, what a round.   Nov 24 2012, 11:23 PM
- - Gambit808   What a fight!   Nov 24 2012, 11:24 PM
- - Cshel86   How do you have a guy in front of you with one eye...   Nov 24 2012, 11:28 PM
- - leonthegee   Berto doesn't realize Guerreros a southpaw. He...   Nov 24 2012, 11:28 PM
- - Cshel86   Both guys cant see out of their right eyes...what ...   Nov 24 2012, 11:33 PM
- - Cheesey1   Credit to Berto. If he hadn't suffered the kn...   Nov 24 2012, 11:33 PM
- - leonthegee   I'm in love with Broners bitch.   Nov 24 2012, 11:40 PM
- - Cshel86   Guerrero cant possibly think that he's gonna p...   Nov 24 2012, 11:40 PM
|- - BigFightFan   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Nov 24 2012, 11:40 PM) G...   Nov 24 2012, 11:45 PM
- - Gambit808   Now I know what a black Asian looks like looking a...   Nov 24 2012, 11:41 PM
- - Genius   POS ref!!!   Nov 24 2012, 11:43 PM
- - Cshel86   How many muthafuckkin' times were they gonna l...   Nov 24 2012, 11:44 PM
|- - Cheesey1   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Nov 24 2012, 11:44 PM) H...   Nov 24 2012, 11:47 PM
||- - Cshel86   QUOTE (Cheesey1 @ Nov 24 2012, 11:47 PM) ...   Nov 24 2012, 11:51 PM
|||- - Cheesey1   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Nov 24 2012, 11:51 PM) G...   Nov 24 2012, 11:57 PM
|||- - Cshel86   QUOTE (Cheesey1 @ Nov 24 2012, 11:57 PM) ...   Nov 25 2012, 12:00 AM
|||- - Cheesey1   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Nov 25 2012, 12:00 AM) I...   Nov 25 2012, 12:11 AM
||- - BigFightFan   QUOTE (Cheesey1 @ Nov 24 2012, 11:47 PM) ...   Nov 24 2012, 11:56 PM
|- - Jack 1000   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Nov 24 2012, 10:44 PM) H...   Nov 25 2012, 02:29 PM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Nov 25 2012, 02:29 PM)...   Nov 25 2012, 02:39 PM
- - Cshel86   Please give both of these motherfuckers a pair of ...   Nov 24 2012, 11:47 PM
- - KOpower   The amount of late shots Guerro took was sickening...   Nov 24 2012, 11:48 PM
- - KOpower   The official was terrible. Guerro was fighting ext...   Nov 24 2012, 11:53 PM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (KOpower @ Nov 24 2012, 11:53 PM) T...   Nov 24 2012, 11:54 PM
- - VJones   Every time I see, hear, or read about Robert Guerr...   Nov 25 2012, 12:04 AM
- - The Original MrFactor   GREAT FIGHT... The ref was a real dumbass. The end...   Nov 25 2012, 12:06 AM
- - Franchize   Not trying to be a hater but I didnt see anything ...   Nov 25 2012, 01:41 AM
|- - Cheesey1   QUOTE (Franchize @ Nov 25 2012, 01:41 AM)...   Nov 25 2012, 09:38 AM
|- - Jack 1000   QUOTE (Franchize @ Nov 25 2012, 12:41 AM)...   Nov 25 2012, 02:37 PM
- - Franchize   LMAO at Broner saying "you can put me butt na...   Nov 25 2012, 01:49 AM
- - mitukczuk   Damn, it seems like I missed out on a LOT ! Go...   Nov 25 2012, 06:57 AM
- - Jovi   I couldn't even be happy for Guerrero winning,...   Nov 25 2012, 11:26 AM
- - mitukczuk   I have just started watching the fight...1st round...   Nov 25 2012, 11:52 AM
- - BoxingFan86   How were the 2 knockdowns not illegal? I mean, bot...   Nov 25 2012, 01:06 PM
- - Gambit808   Ya know after this FOTY canidate, just like Ortiz,...   Nov 25 2012, 01:31 PM
- - Cshel86   I have yet to go back and watch the fight (while s...   Nov 25 2012, 02:19 PM
- - Genius   Like to see Berto get with Cottos trainer....he ne...   Nov 25 2012, 02:26 PM
- - daprofessor   the ref really ruined that fight for me. his stern...   Nov 25 2012, 03:02 PM
|- - Franchize   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Nov 25 2012, 03:02 P...   Nov 26 2012, 06:20 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Franchize @ Nov 26 2012, 07:20 PM)...   Nov 26 2012, 07:41 PM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Nov 25 2012, 03:02 P...   Nov 26 2012, 03:09 PM
|- - BoxingFan86   QUOTE (checkleft @ Nov 26 2012, 03:09 PM)...   Nov 26 2012, 05:44 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (checkleft @ Nov 26 2012, 04:09 PM)...   Nov 26 2012, 07:33 PM
- - neophyte7   Berto needs Floyd Sr.. period...   Nov 26 2012, 05:56 PM
- - flazi   we all knew berto is chiny in the first few rounds...   Nov 26 2012, 06:39 PM
|- - Franchize   QUOTE (flazi @ Nov 26 2012, 06:39 PM) we ...   Nov 26 2012, 06:52 PM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Nov 26 2012, 07:33 P...   Nov 26 2012, 08:48 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (checkleft @ Nov 26 2012, 09:48 PM)...   Nov 26 2012, 09:25 PM
- - Cshel86   QUOTE (checkleft @ Nov 26 2012, 08:48 PM)...   Nov 26 2012, 09:46 PM
|- - Franchize   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Nov 26 2012, 09:46 PM) S...   Nov 27 2012, 09:26 AM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (Franchize @ Nov 27 2012, 09:26 AM)...   Nov 27 2012, 11:46 AM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Nov 26 2012, 09:25 P...   Nov 26 2012, 10:23 PM
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