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[leonthegee]

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Personally I don't want to see this matchup. However I think if you add Guerreros story plus Floyd's mouth it equals a million PPVs. I think Guerrero could be marketable. As I said before he has a great story, plus he's Mexican American, he speaks perfect English, and is a handsome dude, no homo. You could stick him on ESPN with Skip and Steven A., ala Manny and JMM, and make his story national. I think Floyd would have to play the angry black man but it could work. Your thoughts?

[sduck]

Not saying he should get it, but yes I do think he deserves a shot. In his first two fights at Welterweight, he's already defeated decent competition and has earned the Interim WBC Welterweight title. I've pastly stated that Guerrero wasn't shit, I was exaggerating, I don't think he'll be at the top, but I think with his tools he has the potential to give any fighter a tough fight. Anyone that thinks FMJ will walk through him is just spewing nonsense.

I also think Guerrero can put some decent revenue. He's a "nobody" but he definitely has the charisma, more than people like Ortiz and Bradley.

This post has been edited by sduck: Nov 28 2012, 12:25 PM

[Cshel86]

I also think Guerrero can put some decent revenue.

How many tickets has his fights sold?

[daprofessor]

How many tickets has his fights sold?

he packed the house in san jose and out in ontario. if the fight is in vegas...he has plenty of fans that will make the trip from the bay and socal. i actually think robert has more fans than ortiz who is a transplant while guerrero is a local boy.

[Cshel86]

he packed the house in san jose and out in ontario. if the fight is in vegas...he has plenty of fans that will make the trip from the bay and socal. i actually think robert has more fans than ortiz who is a transplant while guerrero is a local boy.

I have to see about those ticket sells, because I find that hard to believe. I doubt if anybody outside of the Bay Area really knows who Robert is. I TOTALLY disagree about Guerrero having more fans than Victor Ortiz, sorry, but that dog aint huntin' over here.

You cant possibly think that more people know Robert, than any of Floyd's recent opponents. You can walk out on the street right now and ask people who's the guy that Mayweather two-pieced or sucker punched last September, and I'm sure they 'd know.

It's not that don't feel Robert is all that worthy of a Mayweather fight, but let's face it, Floyd isn't one of those beloved fighters that does HUGE gates, regardless of who he fights...Oscar still holds that record.

Put it this way, if Manny (the world's most beloved fighter) only cracked 700K buys against Clottey (1st fight in the Cowboys stadium, HIGHLY promoted), or Bradley (when Pacquiao truly settled as a household name), then Floyd needs to be extra careful about his opponent selection. Robert may be a nose dive in sales with Floyd...hell, I'm surprised that many people bought the Marquez fight, but that was a "comeback" fight.

You got me turned on to Bradley, but I think this Guerrero transition will be a tough road. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

[sduck]

I have to see about those ticket sells, because I find that hard to believe. I doubt if anybody outside of the Bay Area really knows who Robert is. I TOTALLY disagree about Guerrero having more fans than Victor Ortiz, sorry, but that dog aint huntin' over here.

You cant possibly think that more people know Robert, than any of Floyd's recent opponents. You can walk out on the street right now and ask people who's the guy that Mayweather two-pieced or sucker punched last September, and I'm sure they 'd know.

It's not that don't feel Robert is all that worthy of a Mayweather fight, but let's face it, Floyd isn't one of those beloved fighters that does HUGE gates, regardless of who he fights...Oscar still holds that record.

Put it this way, if Manny (the world's most beloved fighter) only cracked 700K buys against Clottey (1st fight in the Cowboys stadium, HIGHLY promoted), or Bradley (when Pacquiao truly settled as a household name), then Floyd needs to be extra careful about his opponent selection. Robert may be a nose dive in sales with Floyd...hell, I'm surprised that many people bought the Marquez fight, but that was a "comeback" fight.

You got me turned on to Bradley, but I think this Guerrero transition will be a tough road. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Well of course not now lol, you got to compare Guerrero to when Ortiz wasn't in the spotlight from being Floyd's opponent. To me it seems like Guerrero has more fans. Mayweather was able to make more PPV buys and revenue with Ortiz than he was with Hatton and Marquez. The Marquez fight did so poorly that not even the stadium was completely sold. Ortiz's persona was virtually boring, while Guerrero is a type of guy that talks shit, isn't a prick, with a "lets get it on, I wanna fight anyone" attitude. He also has a style of fighting that pleases most people. The dude is made to sell revenue.

This post has been edited by sduck: Nov 28 2012, 02:22 PM

[Cshel86]

Well of course not now lol, you got to compare Guerrero to when Ortiz wasn't in the spotlight from being Floyd's opponent. To me it seems like Guerrero has more fans. Mayweather was able to make more PPV buys and revenue with Ortiz than he was with Hatton and Marquez. The Marquez fight did so poorly that not even the stadium was completely sold. Ortiz's persona was virtually boring, while Guerrero is a type of guy that talks shit, isn't a prick, with a "lets get it on, I wanna fight anyone" attitude. He also has a style of fighting that pleases most people. The dude is made to sell revenue.

Sorry, but Guerrero and revenue should never be in the same sentence again...until further notice, of course. I guess people are forgetting how an up and coming Ortiz sold all of those tickets at the Staples center against an unknown Maidana. How do we all know Maidana so well nowadays? Yep, you got it...because of the Ortiz fight.

Ortiz was being built up as the next Oscar De La Hoya...when was Robert ever a factor around that time? Ortiz is remembered more for his quit job against Maidana, than people will ever know Guerrero for. Hell, Marquez is actually the bigger star of them all, and he and Floyd weasled their way to 1M+ buys. I said that to say that people need to start harping on the whole, "Guerrero's Mexican American", and so on.

Again, Marquez is the bigger star between Ortiz and Guerrero, and he and Floyd sold right at 1.1M buys. That says a lot. Mind you, this was BEFORE the whole Floyd vs Pac situation got out of hand. That actually started closer to the Pac/Cotto fight, and went into full overdrive after Pac stopped Cotto.

Ortiz was still being built up by GBP (despite the Maidana loss), and had was almost on his way to being dumped off. Then came the Berto fight, which he won in an impressive fashion, he was the FIRST to defeat Berto, and became champion. He looked to be a formidable opponent for anybody in the WW division.

When Floyd chose Ortiz, it seemed like a HUGE challenge for a guy coming off of a long layoff. So again, Floyd got us with the whole "comeback fight" mess, and on top of that, let's be real, Mayweather/Ortiz sold more than Mayweather/Marquez because at that point, the whole world was sucked into the "Mayweather is going to fight Pacquiao next" nonsense.

That's the ONLY reason Mayweather/Ortiz sold more than Mayweather/Pacquiao...the ONLY reason. Pacquiao/Mayweather was hardly as big of an issue, when Floyd fought JMM, than it was when he fought Ortiz. So, with that in mind, Guerrero has some heavy lifting to do, because seriously, nobody knows who this dude is. I believe Broner/DeMarco just had over 1M views...not sure about ticket sales, but TV dates usually win over the casual fans.

Robert not being able to stop a blind Berto, is NOT impressive. If it was Pac/Diaz-type beating, then he'd impress casual fans, but all of that smothering is a turnoff. Im a hardcore fan, and even I almost wanted to change the channel. Lol

And yes, Guerrero is a prick, and he knows it. Nobody's gonna be an asshole like he was during Berto's portion of the interview, then decide to jump in again and thank his Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Lol. Sorry, but Guerrero has some heavy lifting to do. The only way I see this happening, is if Floyd decides to fight twice this year, and its been a WHILE since he did that.

[sduck]

Sorry, but Guerrero and revenue should never be in the same sentence again...until further notice, of course. I guess people are forgetting how an up and coming Ortiz sold all of those tickets at the Staples center against an unknown Maidana. How do we all know Maidana so well nowadays? Yep, you got it...because of the Ortiz fight.

That would be a decent example but Ortiz was shunned upon by the result of the Maidana fight. His image in boxing was forever tarnished, regardless of the redemption from his victory over Berto.

Ortiz was being built up as the next Oscar De La Hoya...when was Robert ever a factor around that time? Ortiz is remembered more for his quit job against Maidana, than people will ever know Guerrero for. Hell, Marquez is actually the bigger star of them all, and he and Floyd weasled their way to 1M+ buys. I said that to say that people need to start harping on the whole, "Guerrero's Mexican American", and so on.

Well he's a factor now, so... Nah, no way, you just hatin lol. I'm sure more people try to forget that than remember it lol

Again, Marquez is the bigger star between Ortiz and Guerrero, and he and Floyd sold right at 1.1M buys. That says a lot. Mind you, this was BEFORE the whole Floyd vs Pac situation got out of hand. That actually started closer to the Pac/Cotto fight, and went into full overdrive after Pac stopped Cotto.

I see what you're saying...but it's also in theory... Pac was already making headlines on a potential fight with Mayweather before he fought Cotto, because of his sensational performances against DLH and Hatton. Those two fights were actually mainly why people got so hype of the Mayweather-Pacquiao showdown. Cotto was one of Pac's best selling fights, while Marquez was one of Floyd's worst, speaking in post-DLH terms. And Floyd was already still established as the PPV king at that time.

Ortiz was still being built up by GBP (despite the Maidana loss), and had was almost on his way to being dumped off. Then came the Berto fight, which he won in an impressive fashion, he was the FIRST to defeat Berto, and became champion. He looked to be a formidable opponent for anybody in the WW division.

Ortiz's image was also still tarnished because of the Maidana fight. Though still being a considerable opponent, most people still doubted him vs Floyd.

When Floyd chose Ortiz, it seemed like a HUGE challenge for a guy coming off of a long layoff. So again, Floyd got us with the whole "comeback fight" mess, and on top of that, let's be real, Mayweather/Ortiz sold more than Mayweather/Marquez because at that point, the whole world was sucked into the "Mayweather is going to fight Pacquiao next" nonsense.

Youth, champion, and Floyd's layoff had the only things going for the fight. Ortiz's persona sucked. No way, that reason has to be completely false. The Mayweather-Pacquiao fight lost a lot of luster by then. Mayweather's image was also very tarnished from the result of the fight failing to happen. The Ortiz/Mayweather fight even generating close to that much revenue is a mystery short of marketing.

That's the ONLY reason Mayweather/Ortiz sold more than Mayweather/Pacquiao...the ONLY reason. Pacquiao/Mayweather was hardly as big of an issue, when Floyd fought JMM, than it was when he fought Ortiz. So, with that in mind, Guerrero has some heavy lifting to do, because seriously, nobody knows who this dude is. I believe Broner/DeMarco just had over 1M views...not sure about ticket sales, but TV dates usually win over the casual fans.

Uhh, anybody that follows boxing knows who Guerrero is at this point. If you're mainly implying the casual fans, especially the extreme ones, nobody knew Ortiz either.

Robert not being able to stop a blind Berto, is NOT impressive. If it was Pac/Diaz-type beating, then he'd impress casual fans, but all of that smothering is a turnoff. Im a hardcore fan, and even I almost wanted to change the channel. Lol

Technically, anyone beating Berto (a b-level fighter) isn't impressive. I've read a lot of different opinions, so I have no idea.

And yes, Guerrero is a prick, and he knows it. Nobody's gonna be an asshole like he was during Berto's portion of the interview, then decide to jump in again and thank his Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Lol. Sorry, but Guerrero has some heavy lifting to do. The only way I see this happening, is if Floyd decides to fight twice this year, and its been a WHILE since he did that.

For people that are not really into confidence or trash-talk, then yeah he probably is a prick. But he's not the kind of prick like Floyd. You can also consider that many people would actually enjoy confident trash-talk against a well disliked/hated person like Floyd.

Oh god, that took so long to finish, I think I need more coffee or somethin, wow.