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post Nov 28 2012, 10:06 AM
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http://www.fighthype.com/news/article13672.html

I love to hear what trainers have to say about other fighters and their corners...this interview is spot on! Bashir talks about Banks's won over Seth Mitchell, and how Mitchell's fight game is flawed, as well as his corner. Good stuff.

He also went into to detail about Berto's career, that ugly shoulder roll, that weak game plan, and his corner...which I found very interesting. We haven't heard much from Berto or his people since the fight, and Bashir made a GREAT point about him simply needing to fire the whole freakin' squad of ass clowns who are ruining him.

Good read!
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sduck
post Nov 28 2012, 01:25 PM
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Well it's typical stuff in the business, like failed strategies/opportunities. Fighters like Berto and Mitchell are just a classic case of promoted/hyped up fighters who don't have it. Trainers can make a difference, but honestly, for most fighters it won't make a big difference, if any at all.
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post Nov 28 2012, 01:48 PM
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QUOTE (sduck @ Nov 28 2012, 02:25 PM) *
Well it's typical stuff in the business, like failed strategies/opportunities. Fighters like Berto and Mitchell are just a classic case of promoted/hyped up fighters who don't have it. Trainers can make a difference, but honestly, for most fighters it won't make a big difference, if any at all.


do u think great fighters happen by accident? do u think it's coincidence that certain trainers continuously have success with different fighters? great fighters are not born knowing all this stuff. it's great teachers/trainers and it's attention to details that separate the good from the great. berto and mitchell both have great potential and are clearly athletes. what's missing is the expertise in the corners and in the gym.

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post Nov 28 2012, 02:44 PM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Nov 28 2012, 01:48 PM) *
do u think great fighters happen by accident? do u think it's coincidence that certain trainers continuously have success with different fighters? great fighters are not born knowing all this stuff. it's great teachers/trainers and it's attention to details that separate the good from the great. berto and mitchell both have great potential and are clearly athletes. what's missing is the expertise in the corners and in the gym.

I was mainly making my statement on the subject of switching trainers. Trainers can make a merit of difference, but most of any potential is based on the fighter. That shouldn't even be doubtful, the fact that most trainers have different fighters who are all of different potential pretty much confirms this.
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post Nov 28 2012, 02:55 PM
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QUOTE (sduck @ Nov 28 2012, 03:44 PM) *
I was mainly making my statement on the subject of switching trainers. Trainers can make a merit of difference, but most of any potential is based on the fighter. That shouldn't even be doubtful, the fact that most trainers have different fighters who are all of different potential pretty much confirms this.


i won't argue that....but there are certain trainers who can get more out of a fighter than others.
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post Nov 28 2012, 03:11 PM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Nov 28 2012, 02:55 PM) *
i won't argue that....but there are certain trainers who can get more out of a fighter than others.

Very true... There could be a trainer out there that can increase the potential of Berto and Mitchell like no other trainer could. Hell, maybe with the right trainer and the right discipline, Mitchell could learn some skills good enough to protect that chin and cast him above the Klitschkos. Skill-wise both Berto and Mitchell are horrid. I'm not sure about the past experience for those two, but most fighters have amateur, pre-professional, and post-professional experience, hell many even pre-amateur. However, if your game isn't solid by professional, than most-likely it won't get much (or any) better.

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- Cshel86   Ali Bashir Spits the Real....   Nov 28 2012, 10:06 AM
- - Franchize   Mitchell should have known better than to have Unc...   Nov 28 2012, 10:18 AM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (Franchize @ Nov 28 2012, 10:18 AM)...   Nov 28 2012, 10:37 AM
- - sduck   Well it's typical stuff in the business, like ...   Nov 28 2012, 01:25 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (sduck @ Nov 28 2012, 02:25 PM) Wel...   Nov 28 2012, 01:48 PM
||- - BigFightFan   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Nov 28 2012, 01:48 P...   Nov 28 2012, 02:13 PM
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||- - daprofessor   QUOTE (sduck @ Nov 28 2012, 03:44 PM) I w...   Nov 28 2012, 02:55 PM
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|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Nov 28 2012, 02:58 PM) I...   Nov 28 2012, 02:03 PM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Nov 28 2012, 02:03 P...   Nov 28 2012, 02:28 PM
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|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (checkleft @ Nov 28 2012, 04:05 PM)...   Nov 28 2012, 08:14 PM
- - Gambit808   Definitely a good read! How is it that, the c...   Nov 28 2012, 06:34 PM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (Gambit808 @ Nov 28 2012, 06:34 PM)...   Nov 28 2012, 06:44 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Nov 28 2012, 07:44 PM) T...   Nov 28 2012, 08:20 PM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Nov 28 2012, 08:20 P...   Nov 28 2012, 08:54 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Nov 28 2012, 09:54 PM) Y...   Nov 28 2012, 09:17 PM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Nov 28 2012, 09:17 P...   Nov 28 2012, 09:34 PM
- - Cheesey1   I agree with the argument that a skilled trainer, ...   Nov 28 2012, 08:23 PM
- - Cheesey1   Boxers can take beatings and come back. As mentio...   Nov 28 2012, 09:25 PM


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