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Cshel86
post Nov 28 2012, 10:06 AM
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http://www.fighthype.com/news/article13672.html

I love to hear what trainers have to say about other fighters and their corners...this interview is spot on! Bashir talks about Banks's won over Seth Mitchell, and how Mitchell's fight game is flawed, as well as his corner. Good stuff.

He also went into to detail about Berto's career, that ugly shoulder roll, that weak game plan, and his corner...which I found very interesting. We haven't heard much from Berto or his people since the fight, and Bashir made a GREAT point about him simply needing to fire the whole freakin' squad of ass clowns who are ruining him.

Good read!
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post Nov 28 2012, 06:34 PM
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Definitely a good read!

How is it that, the camera can be in the corner and you hear Berto's Brother (loud and clear), the cutman, you hear the trainer & STILL don't have 2 listen close to hear a loud Hatian accent in the middle of all of that... that be Berto's father by the way.

Don't know how much or if this fight took much outta Berto, but I think he can still be a force with the right people in his corner. Bashir made it even more clear.

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post Nov 28 2012, 06:44 PM
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QUOTE (Gambit808 @ Nov 28 2012, 06:34 PM) *
Definitely a good read!

How is it that, the camera can be in the corner and you hear Berto's Brother (loud and clear), the cutman, you hear the trainer & STILL don't have 2 listen close to hear a loud Hatian accent in the middle of all of that... that be Berto's father by the way.

Don't know how much or if this fight took much outta Berto, but I think he can still be a force with the right people in his corner. Bashir made it even more clear.

Tell me about it! I hear that Haitian mumbo jumbo from miles away...all through the fight. Tony Morgan gets no respect in the corner, and that's clear as day. Oddly enough, his brother wasn't doing all of that talking (with that white shit around his mouth) this time around...or do I need to go back and watch again? Lol

I'm hoping that this fight didn't take much out him, but I'm almost afraid to admit that I think the damage was done. Lord willing, he doesn't have any orbital injuries and that was just common swelling. If he doesn't have any long-term injuries, then he should be okay....AFTER he hires a new corner.

He still has the Ortiz rematch, an Alexander fight, Bradley (possibly, due to Berto's new alliance with GBP), Maidana (who will fight for chump change), and a couple of others. He seriously needs to go back and fight Guerrero again, because as Bashir said, Berto made it waaay too easy for Guerrero to take that fight away from him.
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post Nov 28 2012, 08:20 PM
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QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Nov 28 2012, 07:44 PM) *
Tell me about it! I hear that Haitian mumbo jumbo from miles away...all through the fight. Tony Morgan gets no respect in the corner, and that's clear as day. Oddly enough, his brother wasn't doing all of that talking (with that white shit around his mouth) this time around...or do I need to go back and watch again? Lol

I'm hoping that this fight didn't take much out him, but I'm almost afraid to admit that I think the damage was done. Lord willing, he doesn't have any orbital injuries and that was just common swelling. If he doesn't have any long-term injuries, then he should be okay....AFTER he hires a new corner.

He still has the Ortiz rematch, an Alexander fight, Bradley (possibly, due to Berto's new alliance with GBP), Maidana (who will fight for chump change), and a couple of others. He seriously needs to go back and fight Guerrero again, because as Bashir said, Berto made it waaay too easy for Guerrero to take that fight away from him.


i hate to be the one to break it to u...but berto is not coming back from this. his already fragile ego took a big shot in the ortiz bout...now this....more than physical damage...i see psychological damage that can't/won't be undone. that was a sustained beating over several rounds...they don't come back from those. that's not to say he can't make money...or be a gate keeper. i don't believe he'll ever be at the level he was prior to the ortiz fight...even with an amazing corner. i'd love to see him prove me wrong though. he seems like a really good dude.
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post Nov 28 2012, 08:54 PM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Nov 28 2012, 08:20 PM) *
i hate to be the one to break it to u...but berto is not coming back from this. his already fragile ego took a big shot in the ortiz bout...now this....more than physical damage...i see psychological damage that can't/won't be undone. that was a sustained beating over several rounds...they don't come back from those. that's not to say he can't make money...or be a gate keeper. i don't believe he'll ever be at the level he was prior to the ortiz fight...even with an amazing corner. i'd love to see him prove me wrong though. he seems like a really good dude.

You don't believe that he beat himself, in a few ways?

I always knew that Berto would be a gate keeper in the sport, and yes, he still has some money fights left in him, if he's able to keep himself composed in his upcoming. Those beatings over several rounds DO put miles on a fighter....ask Hatton about the Floyd fight.
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post Nov 28 2012, 09:17 PM
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QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Nov 28 2012, 09:54 PM) *
You don't believe that he beat himself, in a few ways?

I always knew that Berto would be a gate keeper in the sport, and yes, he still has some money fights left in him, if he's able to keep himself composed in his upcoming. Those beatings over several rounds DO put miles on a fighter....ask Hatton about the Floyd fight.


whether he beat himself is besides the point...he took a beating more than once and that can't be undone. he obviously learned absolutely nothing from the first beating. so in that regard...yeah, he beat himself. he needs a good break...and some serious re-tooling. he'll have to get rid of his trainer and bring in someone far more experienced with more understanding. i can see him making money...but they would have to give him serious favorable treatment to bring him back to get where he was before. he doesn't have the right promoter or ppl behind him to make that happen.

hatton was taking beatings before the floyd fight. floyd definitely put a serious dent in him...and pacquiao put the final nail in the coffin. he's another guy who learned absolutely nothing from his losses. it's really kind of sad to see the train wrecks. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post Nov 28 2012, 09:34 PM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Nov 28 2012, 09:17 PM) *
whether he beat himself is besides the point...he took a beating more than once and that can't be undone. he obviously learned absolutely nothing from the first beating. so in that regard...yeah, he beat himself. he needs a good break...and some serious re-tooling. he'll have to get rid of his trainer and bring in someone far more experienced with more understanding. i can see him making money...but they would have to give him serious favorable treatment to bring him back to get where he was before. he doesn't have the right promoter or ppl behind him to make that happen.

hatton was taking beatings before the floyd fight. floyd definitely put a serious dent in him...and pacquiao put the final nail in the coffin. he's another guy who learned absolutely nothing from his losses. it's really kind of sad to see the train wrecks. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Sadly, he's had long enough of a break since the injury and PED mess, so a break's out the window. He has the PERFECT promoter and manager...hence how he made $1.6M after an injury, PED incident, and a long layoff...so the pay is always possible. Im sure a few fighters wouldn't mind taking a pay cut, in order to own the rights to beat him...while he still has a bit of spark left.

Hatton took a beating against Collazo of course, but Floyd put it on him and finished him. Pacquiao's massacre beating didn't make matters any better, lol. Hatton's had his huge paydays (unlike Berto), so Berto will more than likely fight to be sure that he secures a few more good paydays. Hatton can thank his fan base for making sure that he got his last few paydays.
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- Cshel86   Ali Bashir Spits the Real....   Nov 28 2012, 10:06 AM
- - Franchize   Mitchell should have known better than to have Unc...   Nov 28 2012, 10:18 AM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (Franchize @ Nov 28 2012, 10:18 AM)...   Nov 28 2012, 10:37 AM
- - sduck   Well it's typical stuff in the business, like ...   Nov 28 2012, 01:25 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (sduck @ Nov 28 2012, 02:25 PM) Wel...   Nov 28 2012, 01:48 PM
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|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (sduck @ Nov 28 2012, 01:25 PM) Wel...   Nov 28 2012, 01:58 PM
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|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Nov 28 2012, 02:03 P...   Nov 28 2012, 02:28 PM
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|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (checkleft @ Nov 28 2012, 04:05 PM)...   Nov 28 2012, 08:14 PM
- - Gambit808   Definitely a good read! How is it that, the c...   Nov 28 2012, 06:34 PM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (Gambit808 @ Nov 28 2012, 06:34 PM)...   Nov 28 2012, 06:44 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Nov 28 2012, 07:44 PM) T...   Nov 28 2012, 08:20 PM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Nov 28 2012, 08:20 P...   Nov 28 2012, 08:54 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Nov 28 2012, 09:54 PM) Y...   Nov 28 2012, 09:17 PM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Nov 28 2012, 09:17 P...   Nov 28 2012, 09:34 PM
- - Cheesey1   I agree with the argument that a skilled trainer, ...   Nov 28 2012, 08:23 PM
- - Cheesey1   Boxers can take beatings and come back. As mentio...   Nov 28 2012, 09:25 PM


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