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mgrover
post Dec 9 2012, 06:43 PM
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am a pac fan personally and as much as i want pac to beat him, because i liked what i say the first few rounds he was actually outworking and boxing marquez, but i think that could do more to the fact with that marquez was a lot more conservative and waiting on that counter right hand.
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post Dec 9 2012, 08:15 PM
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QUOTE (mgrover @ Dec 9 2012, 05:43 PM) *
am a pac fan personally and as much as i want pac to beat him, because i liked what i say the first few rounds he was actually outworking and boxing marquez, but i think that could do more to the fact with that marquez was a lot more conservative and waiting on that counter right hand.



Honestly, there is no need for a rematch!! When Tarver KO'd Jones after their affairs who thought another fight was necessary after that devastating KO?? I didn't!!

At this point JMM will obliterate Manny again and every time after that if they were to go at it. Did Arguello need to define himself with Pryor after he was obliterated a second time? No! Some things in life are just better off being left alone, this is one of those things.
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post Dec 9 2012, 09:07 PM
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Perhaps it's because I had JMM winning fight 2 & 3 that I see no need for a fifth fight along with the fact that it doesn't get anymore definitive than a knockout....and dude was knocked-out cold by a well set-up punch, not some fluke or lucky shot...or it could be too that I've grown weary of the hype-job that Arum & Co. have turned Manny into (with lots of help from the media); taking a good and exciting fighter and creating this mythological unbeatable creature.

So I'm admittedly relieved that this nonsense is over and we can once again root for the real Manny Pacquiao -- a good and explosive but never complete fighter. I, frankly would like to see JMM vs Bradley or Rios instead. And I'd like to see PAC take a break...he's lost the psychological edge now in any future fight (be it with JMM or Rios or Bradley), so there's a good chance he'll get knocked out again. For sake of his health I'd like him to break from boxing and consider retirement. The top-rank hype machine has been good for his pockets and it's been a good ride. Maybe now's the time to close the curtain.

Btw, I'm puzzled by those pointing to the score-cards as reason for a rematch. There were 6 more rounds left in the fight for JMM to pull ahead or even dominate. I can understand this argument for a fifth fight only if PAC was dominating or ahead (with a wider score) in say the 11th or 12th round and then the knockout occurred (As in the case of Martinez/Chavez Jr. With Junior knocking Sergio out instead of just a knockdown). Then one could say: "Oh man, PAC was winning the fight entire until the knockout." Or if it was a fluke shot, which this wasn't.

I think people are being over-zealous. And it could get PAC hurt. Because he'll be gun-shy now, not so much because he was knocked out, but because: 1a. The manner in which he was knocked out lends itself to the idea that it was only a matter of time, because that shot is the same shot that has hurt him in 3 previous fights, now perfected. 1b. He was knocked-out cold, which is always traumatic. 1c. He was knocked-out cold after having been so exalted for the past 4 years by media and fans. It would be hard for Manny to not have bought into his own mythology. Therefore it makes this kind of humbling, very devastating
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post Dec 9 2012, 09:08 PM
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QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Dec 9 2012, 09:15 PM) *
Honestly, there is no need for a rematch!! When Tarver KO'd Jones after their affairs who thought another fight was necessary after that devastating KO?? I didn't!!

At this point JMM will obliterate Manny again and every time after that if they were to go at it. Did Arguello need to define himself with Pryor after he was obliterated a second time? No! Some things in life are just better off being left alone, this is one of those things.


Agreed.
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post Dec 10 2012, 09:48 AM
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QUOTE (fightscoreollector @ Dec 9 2012, 05:58 PM) *
First off thank you for supplying scores for my fightscorecollector site (in the signature below)

I was able to get 146 Press and fan scores.

41 Press scores which a high percentage had Pacquiao ahead when stopped

Does the fact that Pac was ahead on most peoples scores, my stats had it 133-10-3 in favor of Pacquiao give him the right to demand a 5th fight??

JMM is a remarkable figter to comeback the way he did, at 39 he gained his best win of his career....i for 1 want to see a 5th fight. LOOK what i say at the end of my article, thats the reason i hope Pacquiao gets his chance

"Once and for all" - pacquiao-marquez 5

Hahaha. What a contradiction... Wouldn't it technically be 5th and for all?
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post Dec 10 2012, 12:00 PM
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QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Dec 10 2012, 01:15 AM) *
Honestly, there is no need for a rematch!! When Tarver KO'd Jones after their affairs who thought another fight was necessary after that devastating KO?? I didn't!!

At this point JMM will obliterate Manny again and every time after that if they were to go at it. Did Arguello need to define himself with Pryor after he was obliterated a second time? No! Some things in life are just better off being left alone, this is one of those things.


Never said there was?
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post Dec 10 2012, 02:36 PM
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QUOTE (VJones @ Dec 9 2012, 09:07 PM) *
Perhaps it's because I had JMM winning fight 2 & 3 that I see no need for a fifth fight along with the fact that it doesn't get anymore definitive than a knockout....and dude was knocked-out cold by a well set-up punch, not some fluke or lucky shot...or it could be too that I've grown weary of the hype-job that Arum & Co. have turned Manny into (with lots of help from the media); taking a good and exciting fighter and creating this mythological unbeatable creature.

So I'm admittedly relieved that this nonsense is over and we can once again root for the real Manny Pacquiao -- a good and explosive but never complete fighter. I, frankly would like to see JMM vs Bradley or Rios instead. And I'd like to see PAC take a break...he's lost the psychological edge now in any future fight (be it with JMM or Rios or Bradley), so there's a good chance he'll get knocked out again. For sake of his health I'd like him to break from boxing and consider retirement. The top-rank hype machine has been good for his pockets and it's been a good ride. Maybe now's the time to close the curtain.

Btw, I'm puzzled by those pointing to the score-cards as reason for a rematch. There were 6 more rounds left in the fight for JMM to pull ahead or even dominate. I can understand this argument for a fifth fight only if PAC was dominating or ahead (with a wider score) in say the 11th or 12th round and then the knockout occurred (As in the case of Martinez/Chavez Jr. With Junior knocking Sergio out instead of just a knockdown). Then one could say: "Oh man, PAC was winning the fight entire until the knockout." Or if it was a fluke shot, which this wasn't.

I think people are being over-zealous. And it could get PAC hurt. Because he'll be gun-shy now, not so much because he was knocked out, but because: 1a. The manner in which he was knocked out lends itself to the idea that it was only a matter of time, because that shot is the same shot that has hurt him in 3 previous fights, now perfected. 1b. He was knocked-out cold, which is always traumatic. 1c. He was knocked-out cold after having been so exalted for the past 4 years by media and fans. It would be hard for Manny to not have bought into his own mythology. Therefore it makes this kind of humbling, very devastating



excellent post.
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post Dec 10 2012, 02:41 PM
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i had pac up before the ko.

interesting things i've noticed since the fight....

that ko came at the 1 second mark of the round. marquez stepped on his foot right before he ko'd him. none of that changes the beauty of the ko. it was set up well. i can't see it getting any better for pac. no need for a 5th bout. pac needs a long break and some very carefully selected return bouts if he's going to continue boxing. i hope he retires.
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post Dec 10 2012, 04:15 PM
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I had it 47-47 all even, with an even first round. I wish they would allow 10-10 rounds around the world.

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