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> did PED'S do pac in???, i don't think so...
daprofessor
post Dec 11 2012, 07:50 PM
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there is a lot of talk going around about the possibility of jmm being on something....and him doing something he couldn't do in the previous 3 fights.

let's get it straight once and for all...

pac's own aggression did him in! go back and watch that video.

with the first knock down...jmm did a brilliant job of setting up the overhand right by throwing the left hook to the body. he landed a few times on pac to set the pattern. as jmm stepped in he motioned as if he was going for that same hook and instead delivered the overhand right which pac did not anticipate. anyone who knows boxing will tell you...IT'S THE SHOT YOU DON'T SEE COMING THAT HURTS U THE MOST!!!! and pac did not see that overhand right coming. it appeared to land on the temple. if you go back and watch their previous fights....jmm landed that shot before and it wobbled pac. factor in age...and wear and tear...and u have an explanation for the knockdown.

the KO...

pac was coming on after the knock down...and jmm was reeling a bit. the momentum shifted in pac's favor and he got more confident, aggressive and careless. as in previous bouts....jmm attacked...then retreated...drawing pac in during the final seconds of the round. pac lunged in aggressively with a jab and jmm timed him perfectly by sliding his head to the left and delivering an overhand right that was short and very compact. BOOM!!! LIGHTS OUT!!!!

pac outweighed jmm

pac was supposed to be the bigger puncher

jmm was not trying to box and score points in this fight.

he was going for the ko...it's that simple.

he had a much more aggressive stance in this fight.

a simple change in stance can be the difference between a scoring blow...and one that puts u to sleep.

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post Dec 11 2012, 08:15 PM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Dec 11 2012, 07:50 PM) *
there is a lot of talk going around about the possibility of jmm being on something....and him doing something he couldn't do in the previous 3 fights.

let's get it straight once and for all...

pac's own aggression did him in! go back and watch that video.

with the first knock down...jmm did a brilliant job of setting up the overhand right by throwing the left hook to the body. he landed a few times on pac to set the pattern. as jmm stepped in he motioned as if he was going for that same hook and instead delivered the overhand right which pac did not anticipate. anyone who knows boxing will tell you...IT'S THE SHOT YOU DON'T SEE COMING THAT HURTS U THE MOST!!!! and pac did not see that overhand right coming. it appeared to land on the temple. if you go back and watch their previous fights....jmm landed that shot before and it wobbled pac. factor in age...and wear and tear...and u have an explanation for the knockdown.

the KO...

pac was coming on after the knock down...and jmm was reeling a bit. the momentum shifted in pac's favor and he got more confident, aggressive and careless. as in previous bouts....jmm attacked...then retreated...drawing pac in during the final seconds of the round. pac lunged in aggressively with a jab and jmm timed him perfectly by sliding his head to the left and delivering an overhand right that was short and very compact. BOOM!!! LIGHTS OUT!!!!

pac outweighed jmm

pac was supposed to be the bigger puncher

jmm was not trying to box and score points in this fight.

he was going for the ko...it's that simple.

he had a much more aggressive stance in this fight.

a simple change in stance can be the difference between a scoring blow...and one that puts u to sleep.


I agree. I think it's pure boxing skills combined with the will to win/motivation from being robbed that "did pac in". And Marquez was always able to stagger Pacquiao. I just think in training camp he put huge emphasis on speed and strength because he realized that boxing skills werent enough to win the fight. He needed power to create a stoppage.

This entire sequence of events is interesting.

Theres valid speculation for Pacquiao using steroids. From him going from a knock out fighter that came from 105 able to make a bigger and stronger Cotto/Margarito quit. To having subpar performances as the issue of drug testing has become more controversial in boxing. (IM NOT ACCUSING HIM OF ANYTHING)

But here's where it gets interesting. Pacquiao and his team can't even make a case for drug testing because when Floyd began to make that a prevalent thing in boxing starting from '09 Mayweather-Pacquiao negotiations, Pacquiao wasn't with it when he was speculated of using PEDs. Even though Pacquaio turned back on his stance on drug testing in negotiations for the super fight, now for him to have open speculation about PED usage on Marquez's behalf makes him look like a fool. Had he accepted drug testing in '09, and tried to help Floyd change the sport as the second face of boxing, he could've made a strong case in against Marquez.

Freddie Roach just looks pathetic to make allegations with his history with PEDs in the sport. He should really keep his mouth shut because ALL of his fighters have been doing terrible this year.

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post Dec 11 2012, 08:20 PM
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QUOTE (Marcus @ Dec 11 2012, 08:15 PM) *
I agree. I think it's pure boxing skills combined with the will to win/motivation from being robbed that "did pac in". And Marquez was always able to stagger Pacquiao. I just think in training camp he put huge emphasis on speed and strength because he realized that boxing skills werent enough to win the fight. He needed power to create a stoppage.

This entire sequence of events is interesting.

Theres valid speculation for Pacquiao using steroids. From him going from a knock out fighter that came from 105 able to make a bigger and stronger Cotto/Margarito quit. To having subpar performances as the issue of drug testing has become more controversial in boxing. (IM NOT ACCUSING HIM OF ANYTHING)

But here's where it gets interesting. Pacquiao and his team can't even make a case for drug testing because when Floyd began to make that a prevalent thing in boxing starting from '09 Mayweather-Pacquiao negotiations, Pacquiao wasn't with it when he was speculated of using PEDs. Even though Pacquaio turned back on his stance on drug testing in negotiations for the super fight, now for him to have open speculation about PED usage on Marquez's behalf makes him look like a fool. Had he accepted drug testing in '09, and tried to help Floyd change the sport as the second face of boxing, he could've made a strong case in against Marquez.

Freddie Roach just looks pathetic to make allegations with his history with PEDs in the sport. He should really keep his mouth shut because ALL of his fighters have been doing terrible this year.


i find it very comical that the ppl suggesting that jmm is on something and pointing to his s&c coach as reason to believe are the very same ones who ignored all the signs of pac's possible usage. i also find it funny that those same ppl have never once questioned the dangerous contractual stipulations that led to pac's impressive victories over the years. they justify the trickery with a simple..."well, they signed the contract...they knew what they were getting into...blah,blah,blah..." where was the outcry to the commission then?

there is definitely a lot wrong with boxing....while i agree p.e.d's have no place in the sport....they are not the worst thing going on. there have been more deaths and brain injuries due to dehydration in boxing.

i think his fighters have been showing a serious lack of skill more than anything. that may be because he's spread way too thin.
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- daprofessor   did PED'S do pac in???   Dec 11 2012, 07:50 PM
- - Marcus   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Dec 11 2012, 07:50 P...   Dec 11 2012, 08:15 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Marcus @ Dec 11 2012, 08:15 PM) I ...   Dec 11 2012, 08:20 PM
- - Cshel86   Had Manny knocked JMM out cold, nobody would'v...   Dec 11 2012, 09:30 PM
- - checkleft   Juan doesn't have pillows for fists. The guy h...   Dec 12 2012, 12:05 AM
- - The Original MrFactor   I think he's juicing. In his 20's, his bod...   Dec 12 2012, 02:13 AM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ Dec 12 2012, 0...   Dec 12 2012, 02:03 PM
|- - VJones   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Dec 12 2012, 03:03 P...   Dec 12 2012, 03:13 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (VJones @ Dec 12 2012, 03:13 PM) Pr...   Dec 12 2012, 05:18 PM
- - sduck   PEDs did do pac in, he toned down on that roid wor...   Dec 12 2012, 05:30 AM
|- - Franchize   QUOTE (sduck @ Dec 12 2012, 05:30 AM) PED...   Dec 12 2012, 10:25 AM
- - chance1   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Dec 11 2012, 08:50 P...   Dec 12 2012, 07:12 AM
- - mgrover   i thought the wild and aggressive thing did him in...   Dec 12 2012, 07:49 AM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (mgrover @ Dec 12 2012, 07:49 AM) i...   Dec 12 2012, 10:04 AM
- - Gambit808   Rather he did or didn't use PED's, either ...   Dec 12 2012, 11:36 AM
- - Tha Docta   i think PED's had alot to do with JMM's vi...   Dec 12 2012, 01:53 PM
- - mitukczuk   I am kind of new to natural bodybuilding (been tra...   Dec 12 2012, 02:17 PM
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|- - flazi   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Dec 11 2012, 08:50 P...   Dec 12 2012, 03:27 PM
- - checkleft   Instead of roids people should be blaming pac or r...   Dec 12 2012, 02:49 PM
- - BoxingStill#1   Pacs undoing (in this fight) was a beautiful, perf...   Dec 12 2012, 04:30 PM
- - BigDDatHomey   PEDs or.not...it was a well timed shot. Watch the ...   Dec 12 2012, 05:01 PM
- - BigDDatHomey   Speaking of whether he is finished or not..remembe...   Dec 12 2012, 05:03 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (BigDDatHomey @ Dec 12 2012, 05:03 ...   Dec 12 2012, 05:16 PM
- - checkleft   I didn't really think it was that bad of a kno...   Dec 12 2012, 05:37 PM
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- - daprofessor   there are definitely accusations flying around...a...   Dec 13 2012, 03:11 PM
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