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BrutUalBK
post Dec 22 2012, 12:09 PM
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I know everyone saw the first fight and has already made up in their minds that JMM wouldn't stand much of a chance but you have to consider all of these factors before rushing to judgment based on their previous bout:

1. Floyd moved around using his legs throughout most of the fight and is now older and tends to stay in the pocket and take more punches as a result of it.

2. Floyd is older, yeah, I know so is Marquez but inactivity by Mayweather could affect his timing and it appears to me that he is missing a lot of punches that he used to land with ease before he started taking longer breaks in between fights since getting older, plus with JMM's effective counterpunching, increased speed and power it probably wouldn't take as much to at least knock Floyd down.

3. JMM has trained correctly and it showed in his last fight and he will not be grossly outweighed like he was in their first bout.

4. I think JMM has proven now that he has the power to KO anyone at WW so he may have a slight punching power advantage over FMJr even at his advanced age.

5. Confidence (not Overconfidence), well we know who's confidence is riding higher now. JMM can go into the rematch thinking to himself "I faced the man some people said that you've been ducking for years", so with this it runs in his favor but wait, Floyd does have the win over him and is undefeated, younger, taller and the P4P Champion.

Now, I'm not saying that JMM wins in a rematch but I think he fairs far better than the first bout so don't shoot me too full of holes for suggesting this idea that he does fair better. lol

Your thoughts???

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MaxPayne
post Dec 26 2012, 07:28 AM
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I would love to see this fight. I'm a huge fan of JMM, steroids or not, because he's an exquisite boxer with an aggressive persona. There's nothing I love watching more than an aggressive counterpuncher/technician going to work.

I believe a fight like this would net JMM anywhere from $8 MM - $12 MM when you consider PPV proceeds, etc.

However, as has been the case for years, I only have 2 words to dash our hopes for this fight.

Bob. Arum.
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post Dec 26 2012, 08:44 AM
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QUOTE (MaxPayne @ Dec 26 2012, 06:28 AM) *
I would love to see this fight. I'm a huge fan of JMM, steroids or not, because he's an exquisite boxer with an aggressive persona. There's nothing I love watching more than an aggressive counterpuncher/technician going to work.

I believe a fight like this would net JMM anywhere from $8 MM - $12 MM when you consider PPV proceeds, etc.

However, as has been the case for years, I only have 2 words to dash our hopes for this fight.

Bob. Arum.



Bob Arum could care less about feeding the likes of JMM to the wolves, however he did an excellent job of protecting Manny from Floyd and in the process blew a 40 million dollar payday (I wonder how many fights it would take for Manny to earn that kind of money now).

I'd still love to see Floyd tax that a$$ on Manny but even at this stage I still believe that Bob will not put him in the ring vs Floyd, what I think we'll see is Pac get a crack at the straight-forward style of guys like Rios to help build back up his reputation as some type of slugger (I never really saw him that way).

If JMM does not get a shot at the likes of Floyd then obviously he should fish out a 5th fight with Manny if for nothing else except making more money this time around and cementing his dominance with another rousing KO to seal the deal. At this point JMM is a bonafide Superstar on par with Manny and just under Floyd and at the very least then he and Bradley should square off with the winner getting Floyd.
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post Dec 28 2012, 02:31 PM
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QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Dec 26 2012, 08:44 AM) *
Bob Arum could care less about feeding the likes of JMM to the wolves, however he did an excellent job of protecting Manny from Floyd and in the process blew a 40 million dollar payday (I wonder how many fights it would take for Manny to earn that kind of money now).

I'd still love to see Floyd tax that a$$ on Manny but even at this stage I still believe that Bob will not put him in the ring vs Floyd, what I think we'll see is Pac get a crack at the straight-forward style of guys like Rios to help build back up his reputation as some type of slugger (I never really saw him that way).

If JMM does not get a shot at the likes of Floyd then obviously he should fish out a 5th fight with Manny if for nothing else except making more money this time around and cementing his dominance with another rousing KO to seal the deal. At this point JMM is a bonafide Superstar on par with Manny and just under Floyd and at the very least then he and Bradley should square off with the winner getting Floyd.



Mayweather won't fight Manny. It's that simple. It isn't hard to understand. It is so easy to understand that even a Mayweather could do it. I don't know why Floyd is so scared...but he is. I think Floyd would handle Manny assuming Manny doesn't catch Floyd. I still think Floyd's chin is weak (ala Roy Jones) and if Pac can get to that chin it will cause damage. That has to be the reason Floyd refuses to fight him.


Manny all but called Floyd a b*tch on ESPN. He said he would take any test and he said he would agree to less money. It is what it is and Mayweather still refuses the fight. Is it sad? Of course but Floyd is scared to fight Manny. He was before and even post-KO I bet he is scared of the fight. Floyd would rather fight guys with average hand-speed than face Manny. Oh well...
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post Dec 28 2012, 03:40 PM
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QUOTE (KOpower @ Dec 28 2012, 03:31 PM) *
Mayweather won't fight Manny. It's that simple. It isn't hard to understand. It is so easy to understand that even a Mayweather could do it. I don't know why Floyd is so scared...but he is. I think Floyd would handle Manny assuming Manny doesn't catch Floyd. I still think Floyd's chin is weak (ala Roy Jones) and if Pac can get to that chin it will cause damage. That has to be the reason Floyd refuses to fight him.


Manny all but called Floyd a b*tch on ESPN. He said he would take any test and he said he would agree to less money. It is what it is and Mayweather still refuses the fight. Is it sad? Of course but Floyd is scared to fight Manny. He was before and even post-KO I bet he is scared of the fight. Floyd would rather fight guys with average hand-speed than face Manny. Oh well...


i knew my filipino brethren would be back! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

welcome back brother!!! we missed u guys.

let the learning begin...since pac is pretty much done, u might as well learn more about boxing.

jmm is a smaller, slower, less creative, counter puncher that is easier to hit than floyd. floyd is not scared of pac...never has been. arum never wanted the fight. pac had plenty of opportunities to make it.
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post Dec 28 2012, 04:39 PM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Dec 28 2012, 03:40 PM) *
i knew my filipino brethren would be back! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

welcome back brother!!! we missed u guys.

let the learning begin...since pac is pretty much done, u might as well learn more about boxing.

jmm is a smaller, slower, less creative, counter puncher that is easier to hit than floyd. floyd is not scared of pac...never has been. arum never wanted the fight. pac had plenty of opportunities to make it.


Filipino? I am a white that couldn't care less about Manny or Floyd outside of boxing. I am not a fan of Manny. I am a HUGE fan of Floyd as a boxer, but don't think anything of him as a man.


Floyd is 100% scared of Manny. Why else would he not fight him? Floyd is all about the money and Pac clearly represented the most. Say what you want about Arum but Manny himself went on TV and said he would take less money and agree to the test. I wanted Floyd and Manny to fight BADLY, but Floyd was scared.

I agree with you about the fight. I do think Floyd would pick Manny apart. With that being said, Manny has hand speed that Floyd hasn't seen since Judah and we all know that Judah got to that chin a few times and dropped Floyd early in their fight. Manny, like Judah, is a southpaw with great hand speed. Manny also has more power and is a better overall fighter than Judah. That would be the only real mystery in the fight.
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post Dec 28 2012, 08:21 PM
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QUOTE (KOpower @ Dec 28 2012, 05:39 PM) *
Filipino? I am a white that couldn't care less about Manny or Floyd outside of boxing. I am not a fan of Manny. I am a HUGE fan of Floyd as a boxer, but don't think anything of him as a man.


Floyd is 100% scared of Manny. Why else would he not fight him? Floyd is all about the money and Pac clearly represented the most. Say what you want about Arum but Manny himself went on TV and said he would take less money and agree to the test. I wanted Floyd and Manny to fight BADLY, but Floyd was scared.

I agree with you about the fight. I do think Floyd would pick Manny apart. With that being said, Manny has hand speed that Floyd hasn't seen since Judah and we all know that Judah got to that chin a few times and dropped Floyd early in their fight. Manny, like Judah, is a southpaw with great hand speed. Manny also has more power and is a better overall fighter than Judah. That would be the only real mystery in the fight.


i was just messing with u. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

seriously though...i do not believe floyd was ever scared. if i was the type to listen and believe guys like skip clueless or scoop malinowski...maybe i'd think that...but i actually know a little about boxing so that puts me light years ahead of those guys or the tards who believe them when it comes to understanding the sport of boxing. it's really simple to me. pac made demands...floyd agreed to them and came back with his own demand that pac wouldn't agree to. arum did a great job of riffing off of that disagreement and got ppl to believe a bunch of bullshit. it's now been brought to light that there have been shills on the take who wrote articles selling the lie that floyd was afraid of pac and so on and so forth. one thing we know for sure...arum and floyd still have unsettled business in court regarding floyd/judah. floyd is still owed money by arum. we also know that floyd bought his way out of his contract with arum...so going back into business with him with a pending lawsuit...and the history of the big one getting away from arum...do u honestly believe these guys could come to acceptable terms for them to fight? i believe the closest we came to having the fight was when floyd let it be known he was willing to fight pac before he went to prison. he even offered pac 40 mil. that's waaaaaaay more than pac has ever made. what did bob say? we need to build a new stadium to make that fight....blah,blah,blah...more excuses and bullshit.

i'm actually glad the fight didn't happen because i think it's better for boxing. a bunch of fans will still stick around crying about what shoulda/coulda happened...as opposed to actually having a definitive end where i believe ppl (pac fans mainly) would have been so disappointed at the outcome they would have sworn off boxing completely.

do i think floyd is free of blame? no. i never bought into the whole notion that pac was on p.e.d's or any of that. floyd's stance, i believe, was about pride and wanting to put pac to shame. i believe that even if pac was on something...floyd still would have beat him...but to floyd that wouldn't have been enough. he would had to have the lions share...he'd have to expose the "sham" that is pac's career...and just totally humiliate him. all of that was not necessary imo. i think if floyd would have taken a closer look...he would have realized that pac had all that success because the careful use of smoke and mirrors in the form of contractual stipulations/weight drain game, careful/selective matchmaking, coaching issues...and just the fact that pac is/was something special. the problem with all of this...the ppl who are writing the history for why this event never happened are driven by hate, envy, malice and just plain old racism....so it's not really looking good for floyd.
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- BrutUalBK   JMM vs Mayweather 2   Dec 22 2012, 12:09 PM
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