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BrutUalBK
post Dec 22 2012, 12:09 PM
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I know everyone saw the first fight and has already made up in their minds that JMM wouldn't stand much of a chance but you have to consider all of these factors before rushing to judgment based on their previous bout:

1. Floyd moved around using his legs throughout most of the fight and is now older and tends to stay in the pocket and take more punches as a result of it.

2. Floyd is older, yeah, I know so is Marquez but inactivity by Mayweather could affect his timing and it appears to me that he is missing a lot of punches that he used to land with ease before he started taking longer breaks in between fights since getting older, plus with JMM's effective counterpunching, increased speed and power it probably wouldn't take as much to at least knock Floyd down.

3. JMM has trained correctly and it showed in his last fight and he will not be grossly outweighed like he was in their first bout.

4. I think JMM has proven now that he has the power to KO anyone at WW so he may have a slight punching power advantage over FMJr even at his advanced age.

5. Confidence (not Overconfidence), well we know who's confidence is riding higher now. JMM can go into the rematch thinking to himself "I faced the man some people said that you've been ducking for years", so with this it runs in his favor but wait, Floyd does have the win over him and is undefeated, younger, taller and the P4P Champion.

Now, I'm not saying that JMM wins in a rematch but I think he fairs far better than the first bout so don't shoot me too full of holes for suggesting this idea that he does fair better. lol

Your thoughts???

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QUOTE (MaxPayne @ Dec 27 2012, 10:27 PM) *
It's an excellent question about JMM's current contract status with Top Rank. I do remember him signing that 3 fight deal.

The thing is, Arum is usually great at covering his bases with stuff like this. I believe that since the 3rd Pacman - JMM fight, he's been in cash-out mode with regard to Manny.

Which means, that he would want to make sure that he had multiple fights left on the contracts of whoever was in line to fight Manny.

Bradley is locked down and isn't going anywhere. Rios is the same. I believe it's possible that a contract extension was carried out with JMM on the DL in advance to the 4th Pacman fight.

Remember, when Cotto was considering his options, it was pretty clear in the news that there was contract - related rumblings. We haven't heard anything similar for JMM.

If he was a promotional free agent, then I say bring it on and let's make this fight happen.

However, the very fact that Arum was quick to speak on a possible 5th Pacman fight tells me that he has a signed contract in his back pocket.

Sigh. Good men die young. Evil, slimy, wretched blood sucking parasites like Arum live forever it seems.

Excellent points about Arum lining his pockets and having Manny in cash-out mode. We could still have a JMM/Bradley and a JMM/Rios fight in the wings...smart move Arum.

The talks of that 5th fight IMMEDIATELY after the ending of the 4th fight, is all too reminiscent of the ending of the 3rd fight where Arum broke his neck to announce a 4th fight. Arum's probably had his own ass covered before the ink even dried for the 4th fight.

QUOTE (Franchize @ Dec 28 2012, 07:22 AM) *
Normally, I'd say n way in hell because JMM is a Top Prank guy but I can't see JMM passing on some flat rate offer Mayweather throws at him like Manny did. I can see Floyd offering Marquez like 15-20 mill and Marquez being like "Fuck you Arum, you'd better make this work." I can't see him peacefully declining like Manny has. Marquez is way more vocal about Arum. Let's not forget he accused Arum of a conspiracy after the 3rd fight.

I couldn't see JMM passing up 15-20M offered from Mayweather (which is a crazy amount). The kicker is, Arum wouldn't even allow his biggest cash cow to accept 40M, so Juan has waaaay heavier lifting to do, before he can ever get Bob to break a sweat.

As much as I dont like Arum, truth is, Marquez wouldn't have been in a position to make a huge payday ANYWHERE else, other than under Arum's banner. IF he happens to be a free agent and GBP is entertaining a Mayweather rematch, then Juan should thank Arum for a what he did for him with the last two Manny fights.

Had Marquez not been CHALLENGED to bulk up and fight Manny for a 3rd and 4th time, I doubt if he'd have the motivation to do it against any other opponent. Honesltly, I saw Marquez losing interest in boxing (due to limited opposition) after the first Mayweather fight. Hell, he looked SO out of place while sharing the ring with a young Diaz for the first fight.

I thought we were pretty much seeing the last days of Marquez, until he got the Mayweather fight. Even in that fight, he didn't look his best...maybe because he was pissed about the weight and how Floyd handled it at the weigh-in, though I cant imagine how you could be mad at a guy for putting another $600k in your pocket.

I felt bad for Marquez for having to take a Diaz rematch, when he CLEARLY flattened Diaz in the first fight. Again, I thought we were seeing the last of him. He hit his peak in the Katsidis fight. I didn't see much motivation from him after that, though he still has the skills to fight whoever.
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- BrutUalBK   JMM vs Mayweather 2   Dec 22 2012, 12:09 PM
- - mitukczuk   The thing is...there is no reason for a rematch. F...   Dec 22 2012, 12:35 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (mitukczuk @ Dec 22 2012, 11:35 AM)...   Dec 22 2012, 10:42 PM
||- - Dolimite   Marquez beat Pacquiao with one devastating counter...   Dec 23 2012, 09:23 AM
||- - Cshel86   QUOTE (Dolimite @ Dec 23 2012, 09:23 AM) ...   Dec 23 2012, 09:02 PM
|||- - Dolimite   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Dec 23 2012, 06:02 PM) Y...   Dec 23 2012, 09:38 PM
|||- - Franchize   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Dec 23 2012, 09:02 PM) Y...   Dec 24 2012, 10:27 AM
||- - BoxingFan86   QUOTE (Dolimite @ Dec 23 2012, 09:23 AM) ...   Dec 26 2012, 01:57 AM
|- - Franchize   QUOTE (mitukczuk @ Dec 22 2012, 12:35 PM)...   Dec 24 2012, 02:39 AM
- - mgrover   I would be lying if i said i wouldn't like to ...   Dec 22 2012, 01:49 PM
- - leonthegee   Marquez still cant slip a left hook to save his li...   Dec 22 2012, 02:00 PM
- - Cshel86   Fight 'em Floyd! To hell with Guerrero...   Dec 22 2012, 02:36 PM
- - p4pcrown   Different fight, same ending   Dec 22 2012, 03:54 PM
- - Cshel86   Marquez DID just come off of the BIGGEST win of hi...   Dec 22 2012, 08:34 PM
- - BoxingStill#1   Pacs style makes Marquez look real good.. Floyds ...   Dec 22 2012, 09:11 PM
- - Kratza   I think we all saw how slow Marquez was in the rin...   Dec 24 2012, 07:56 AM
- - Cshel86   QUOTE (Dolimite @ Dec 23 2012, 09:38 PM) ...   Dec 24 2012, 09:06 PM
- - daprofessor   the rematch may be worse for marquez. he's slo...   Dec 24 2012, 09:29 PM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Dec 24 2012, 09:29 P...   Dec 24 2012, 09:37 PM
|- - Dolimite   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Dec 24 2012, 06:37 PM) H...   Dec 24 2012, 10:57 PM
||- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (Dolimite @ Dec 24 2012, 09:57 PM) ...   Dec 24 2012, 11:32 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Dec 24 2012, 09:37 PM) H...   Dec 25 2012, 12:50 AM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Dec 25 2012, 12:50 A...   Dec 25 2012, 07:05 PM
|- - Dolimite   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Dec 25 2012, 04:05 PM) I...   Dec 25 2012, 09:45 PM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Dec 25 2012, 01:50 A...   Dec 25 2012, 02:03 AM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (checkleft @ Dec 25 2012, 03:03 AM)...   Dec 25 2012, 05:04 AM
- - mgrover   I'd Marquez to get the fight for a nice payday...   Dec 25 2012, 07:54 AM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Dec 25 2012, 06:04 A...   Dec 26 2012, 02:44 AM
- - MaxPayne   I would love to see this fight. I'm a huge fan...   Dec 26 2012, 07:28 AM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (MaxPayne @ Dec 26 2012, 06:28 AM) ...   Dec 26 2012, 08:44 AM
|- - Franchize   QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Dec 26 2012, 08:44 AM)...   Dec 26 2012, 12:06 PM
|- - KOpower   QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Dec 26 2012, 08:44 AM)...   Dec 28 2012, 02:31 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (KOpower @ Dec 28 2012, 03:31 PM) M...   Dec 28 2012, 03:40 PM
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||- - daprofessor   QUOTE (KOpower @ Dec 28 2012, 05:39 PM) F...   Dec 28 2012, 08:21 PM
||- - Dolimite   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Dec 28 2012, 05:21 P...   Dec 29 2012, 01:35 AM
||- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Dolimite @ Dec 29 2012, 02:35 AM) ...   Dec 29 2012, 03:16 AM
|- - sduck   Same fight, same results. Marquez himself said wei...   Dec 28 2012, 04:35 PM
- - MaxPayne   Guys, salient points, but riddle me this: When is...   Dec 26 2012, 12:10 PM
- - bnoles4life   You know, I'm not throughly convinced JMM/Mann...   Dec 26 2012, 08:00 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (bnoles4life @ Dec 26 2012, 09:00 P...   Dec 27 2012, 03:34 AM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (bnoles4life @ Dec 26 2012, 09:00 P...   Dec 27 2012, 03:23 AM
- - Cshel86   QUOTE (Dolimite @ Dec 25 2012, 09:45 PM) ...   Dec 27 2012, 01:28 PM
|- - MaxPayne   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Dec 27 2012, 01:28 PM) I...   Dec 27 2012, 10:27 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (MaxPayne @ Dec 27 2012, 09:27 PM) ...   Dec 28 2012, 09:40 AM
- - wolterb   I say he better not fight that fight and as an hon...   Dec 27 2012, 08:28 PM
|- - Dolimite   QUOTE (wolterb @ Dec 27 2012, 05:28 PM) I...   Dec 27 2012, 10:15 PM
|- - wolterb   QUOTE (Dolimite @ Dec 27 2012, 10:15 PM) ...   Dec 28 2012, 08:53 AM
- - Franchize   Normally, I'd say n way in hell because JMM is...   Dec 28 2012, 07:22 AM
- - mgrover   why would is Marquez still with top rank? I though...   Dec 28 2012, 07:30 AM
- - Cshel86   QUOTE (MaxPayne @ Dec 27 2012, 10:27 PM) ...   Dec 28 2012, 12:31 PM
- - daprofessor   pac losing reduces payout for arum. reduced pay ou...   Dec 28 2012, 01:12 PM
- - Hotsauce   this fight would easily sell especially on cinco d...   Dec 28 2012, 05:09 PM
- - Gambit808   Look I don't wanna be a buzz kill here, but th...   Dec 28 2012, 06:49 PM
|- - KOpower   QUOTE (Gambit808 @ Dec 28 2012, 06:49 PM)...   Dec 29 2012, 03:28 PM
||- - Dolimite   QUOTE (KOpower @ Dec 29 2012, 01:28 PM) W...   Dec 29 2012, 05:09 PM
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|||- - aTYpicalTYrant   QUOTE (KOpower @ Dec 31 2012, 09:26 AM) I...   Dec 31 2012, 03:21 PM
||- - daprofessor   QUOTE (KOpower @ Dec 29 2012, 04:28 PM) W...   Dec 29 2012, 06:28 PM
||- - mgrover   QUOTE (KOpower @ Dec 29 2012, 08:28 PM) W...   Dec 29 2012, 08:05 PM
|||- - sduck   QUOTE (mgrover @ Dec 29 2012, 08:05 PM) P...   Dec 30 2012, 01:29 PM
|||- - mgrover   QUOTE (sduck @ Dec 30 2012, 06:29 PM) I h...   Dec 30 2012, 08:58 PM
|||- - Dolimite   QUOTE (mgrover @ Dec 30 2012, 06:58 PM) f...   Dec 30 2012, 11:42 PM
||- - Gambit808   QUOTE (KOpower @ Dec 29 2012, 03:28 PM) W...   Dec 30 2012, 12:59 AM
||- - BoxingFan86   QUOTE (KOpower @ Dec 29 2012, 03:28 PM) W...   Dec 31 2012, 04:58 AM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (Gambit808 @ Dec 28 2012, 05:49 PM)...   Dec 30 2012, 08:04 PM
|- - Gambit808   [quote name='BrutUalBK' date='Dec 30 2...   Dec 31 2012, 01:28 AM
- - Cshel86   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Dec 28 2012, 01:12 P...   Dec 29 2012, 02:54 PM
- - sduck   No offense to KOpower, but I just want to say you ...   Dec 30 2012, 01:04 PM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Dec 29 2012, 07:28 P...   Dec 31 2012, 01:31 AM
|- - Franchize   QUOTE (checkleft @ Dec 31 2012, 02:31 AM)...   Dec 31 2012, 09:06 AM
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|- - KOpower   QUOTE (checkleft @ Dec 31 2012, 09:42 AM)...   Dec 31 2012, 09:55 AM
- - KOpower   By the way, I still think this fight could and sho...   Dec 31 2012, 09:59 AM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (KOpower @ Dec 31 2012, 08:59 AM) B...   Jan 1 2013, 05:02 PM
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- - checkleft   QUOTE (KOpower @ Dec 31 2012, 10:55 AM) 1...   Dec 31 2012, 04:23 PM
- - Cshel86   Mayweather vs Pacquiao talk?!   Jan 1 2013, 07:57 PM
- - BoxingFan86   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jan 1 2013, 07:57 PM) Ma...   Jan 1 2013, 08:11 PM


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