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BrutUalBK
post Dec 22 2012, 12:09 PM
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I know everyone saw the first fight and has already made up in their minds that JMM wouldn't stand much of a chance but you have to consider all of these factors before rushing to judgment based on their previous bout:

1. Floyd moved around using his legs throughout most of the fight and is now older and tends to stay in the pocket and take more punches as a result of it.

2. Floyd is older, yeah, I know so is Marquez but inactivity by Mayweather could affect his timing and it appears to me that he is missing a lot of punches that he used to land with ease before he started taking longer breaks in between fights since getting older, plus with JMM's effective counterpunching, increased speed and power it probably wouldn't take as much to at least knock Floyd down.

3. JMM has trained correctly and it showed in his last fight and he will not be grossly outweighed like he was in their first bout.

4. I think JMM has proven now that he has the power to KO anyone at WW so he may have a slight punching power advantage over FMJr even at his advanced age.

5. Confidence (not Overconfidence), well we know who's confidence is riding higher now. JMM can go into the rematch thinking to himself "I faced the man some people said that you've been ducking for years", so with this it runs in his favor but wait, Floyd does have the win over him and is undefeated, younger, taller and the P4P Champion.

Now, I'm not saying that JMM wins in a rematch but I think he fairs far better than the first bout so don't shoot me too full of holes for suggesting this idea that he does fair better. lol

Your thoughts???

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BoxingFan86
post Dec 31 2012, 02:14 PM
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QUOTE (KOpower @ Dec 31 2012, 09:26 AM) *
If I had to guess I would say that it is Manny's unique combination of speed and power. Cotto didn't pose a greater threat. Cotto is a traditional, orthodox fighter. Manny has really fast hands and he throws punches from all sorts of unique angles. Cotto...not so much. I think Floyd believes that Manny, more than anyone else out there, has the ability to get to that chin of his. I think that scares the sh*t out of Floyd. We saw Zab Judah drop Floyd and Judah is a poor man's Pacquaio. We have seen Mayweather get ROCKED by Chop-Chop. We saw him get rocked by Mosley. None of those guys have the hand-speed that Manny does. I think Floyd's chin is really suspect. I think if Manny finds it, he can do real damage. THAT would be the biggest question to me.


Look, if the 2 guys box then Mayweahter whips him. Period. Everyone knows that. The only question is whether Manny can get to Floyd early and hurt him. If that happens, then Manny either becomes the Antonio Tarver to Floyd's Roy Jones (KO) or he stuns Mayweather to the point where he gets even more defensive allowing Manny to rack up points and rounds in the process.


Manny STILL provides the best challenge to Floyd by a country mile. I hope it happens. I want to see Floyd in there with a fighter that can get to that chin of his. I still think Floyd wins...don't get me wrong...but Manny is really the only challenge that is out there for Floyd. Robert Guerrero has no chance and neither does Andre Berto. A rematch with Cotto gives us more of the same. Canelo is mildly interesting but I see that fight going the same way as the Cotto one. The only other fighter I really want to see Floyd in with is Broner.


But like I said, I truly feel that Floyd is worried that Manny would beat him. We will see over the next 18 months. I have seen enough from Manny to believe that he truly wants the fight. What more would Mayweather fans want? He has said he would give him a larger share of the money. He has said he would agree to ALL the tests. He went on national TV and essentially called Floyd out. Floyd remained quiet.


I am not a Manny fan. I am not a Mayweather fan. I am a guy that wanted Mayweather to fight Manny early so I could bet HEAVILY on Mayweather. I was planning on betting (and then winning) $5k on Mayweather and then letting that $5k pay for my trip to vegas/ticket for the fight. That was back when Pac was an absurd favorite. Since then I have been convinced that Mayweather is the one that stands in the way of the fight being made, NOT Manny.
Simple question...of all the fighters you named that hurt/stunned Mayweather, what were the outcome of their fights against him? Enough said, case closed. The end.

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- BrutUalBK   JMM vs Mayweather 2   Dec 22 2012, 12:09 PM
- - mitukczuk   The thing is...there is no reason for a rematch. F...   Dec 22 2012, 12:35 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (mitukczuk @ Dec 22 2012, 11:35 AM)...   Dec 22 2012, 10:42 PM
||- - Dolimite   Marquez beat Pacquiao with one devastating counter...   Dec 23 2012, 09:23 AM
||- - Cshel86   QUOTE (Dolimite @ Dec 23 2012, 09:23 AM) ...   Dec 23 2012, 09:02 PM
|||- - Dolimite   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Dec 23 2012, 06:02 PM) Y...   Dec 23 2012, 09:38 PM
|||- - Franchize   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Dec 23 2012, 09:02 PM) Y...   Dec 24 2012, 10:27 AM
||- - BoxingFan86   QUOTE (Dolimite @ Dec 23 2012, 09:23 AM) ...   Dec 26 2012, 01:57 AM
|- - Franchize   QUOTE (mitukczuk @ Dec 22 2012, 12:35 PM)...   Dec 24 2012, 02:39 AM
- - mgrover   I would be lying if i said i wouldn't like to ...   Dec 22 2012, 01:49 PM
- - leonthegee   Marquez still cant slip a left hook to save his li...   Dec 22 2012, 02:00 PM
- - Cshel86   Fight 'em Floyd! To hell with Guerrero...   Dec 22 2012, 02:36 PM
- - p4pcrown   Different fight, same ending   Dec 22 2012, 03:54 PM
- - Cshel86   Marquez DID just come off of the BIGGEST win of hi...   Dec 22 2012, 08:34 PM
- - BoxingStill#1   Pacs style makes Marquez look real good.. Floyds ...   Dec 22 2012, 09:11 PM
- - Kratza   I think we all saw how slow Marquez was in the rin...   Dec 24 2012, 07:56 AM
- - Cshel86   QUOTE (Dolimite @ Dec 23 2012, 09:38 PM) ...   Dec 24 2012, 09:06 PM
- - daprofessor   the rematch may be worse for marquez. he's slo...   Dec 24 2012, 09:29 PM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Dec 24 2012, 09:29 P...   Dec 24 2012, 09:37 PM
|- - Dolimite   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Dec 24 2012, 06:37 PM) H...   Dec 24 2012, 10:57 PM
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|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Dec 24 2012, 09:37 PM) H...   Dec 25 2012, 12:50 AM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Dec 25 2012, 12:50 A...   Dec 25 2012, 07:05 PM
|- - Dolimite   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Dec 25 2012, 04:05 PM) I...   Dec 25 2012, 09:45 PM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Dec 25 2012, 01:50 A...   Dec 25 2012, 02:03 AM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (checkleft @ Dec 25 2012, 03:03 AM)...   Dec 25 2012, 05:04 AM
- - mgrover   I'd Marquez to get the fight for a nice payday...   Dec 25 2012, 07:54 AM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Dec 25 2012, 06:04 A...   Dec 26 2012, 02:44 AM
- - MaxPayne   I would love to see this fight. I'm a huge fan...   Dec 26 2012, 07:28 AM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (MaxPayne @ Dec 26 2012, 06:28 AM) ...   Dec 26 2012, 08:44 AM
|- - Franchize   QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Dec 26 2012, 08:44 AM)...   Dec 26 2012, 12:06 PM
|- - KOpower   QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Dec 26 2012, 08:44 AM)...   Dec 28 2012, 02:31 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (KOpower @ Dec 28 2012, 03:31 PM) M...   Dec 28 2012, 03:40 PM
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|- - sduck   Same fight, same results. Marquez himself said wei...   Dec 28 2012, 04:35 PM
- - MaxPayne   Guys, salient points, but riddle me this: When is...   Dec 26 2012, 12:10 PM
- - bnoles4life   You know, I'm not throughly convinced JMM/Mann...   Dec 26 2012, 08:00 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (bnoles4life @ Dec 26 2012, 09:00 P...   Dec 27 2012, 03:34 AM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (bnoles4life @ Dec 26 2012, 09:00 P...   Dec 27 2012, 03:23 AM
- - Cshel86   QUOTE (Dolimite @ Dec 25 2012, 09:45 PM) ...   Dec 27 2012, 01:28 PM
|- - MaxPayne   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Dec 27 2012, 01:28 PM) I...   Dec 27 2012, 10:27 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (MaxPayne @ Dec 27 2012, 09:27 PM) ...   Dec 28 2012, 09:40 AM
- - wolterb   I say he better not fight that fight and as an hon...   Dec 27 2012, 08:28 PM
|- - Dolimite   QUOTE (wolterb @ Dec 27 2012, 05:28 PM) I...   Dec 27 2012, 10:15 PM
|- - wolterb   QUOTE (Dolimite @ Dec 27 2012, 10:15 PM) ...   Dec 28 2012, 08:53 AM
- - Franchize   Normally, I'd say n way in hell because JMM is...   Dec 28 2012, 07:22 AM
- - mgrover   why would is Marquez still with top rank? I though...   Dec 28 2012, 07:30 AM
- - Cshel86   QUOTE (MaxPayne @ Dec 27 2012, 10:27 PM) ...   Dec 28 2012, 12:31 PM
- - daprofessor   pac losing reduces payout for arum. reduced pay ou...   Dec 28 2012, 01:12 PM
- - Hotsauce   this fight would easily sell especially on cinco d...   Dec 28 2012, 05:09 PM
- - Gambit808   Look I don't wanna be a buzz kill here, but th...   Dec 28 2012, 06:49 PM
|- - KOpower   QUOTE (Gambit808 @ Dec 28 2012, 06:49 PM)...   Dec 29 2012, 03:28 PM
||- - Dolimite   QUOTE (KOpower @ Dec 29 2012, 01:28 PM) W...   Dec 29 2012, 05:09 PM
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|||- - sduck   QUOTE (mgrover @ Dec 29 2012, 08:05 PM) P...   Dec 30 2012, 01:29 PM
|||- - mgrover   QUOTE (sduck @ Dec 30 2012, 06:29 PM) I h...   Dec 30 2012, 08:58 PM
|||- - Dolimite   QUOTE (mgrover @ Dec 30 2012, 06:58 PM) f...   Dec 30 2012, 11:42 PM
||- - Gambit808   QUOTE (KOpower @ Dec 29 2012, 03:28 PM) W...   Dec 30 2012, 12:59 AM
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|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (Gambit808 @ Dec 28 2012, 05:49 PM)...   Dec 30 2012, 08:04 PM
|- - Gambit808   [quote name='BrutUalBK' date='Dec 30 2...   Dec 31 2012, 01:28 AM
- - Cshel86   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Dec 28 2012, 01:12 P...   Dec 29 2012, 02:54 PM
- - sduck   No offense to KOpower, but I just want to say you ...   Dec 30 2012, 01:04 PM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Dec 29 2012, 07:28 P...   Dec 31 2012, 01:31 AM
|- - Franchize   QUOTE (checkleft @ Dec 31 2012, 02:31 AM)...   Dec 31 2012, 09:06 AM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (KOpower @ Dec 31 2012, 10:26 AM) I...   Dec 31 2012, 09:42 AM
|- - KOpower   QUOTE (checkleft @ Dec 31 2012, 09:42 AM)...   Dec 31 2012, 09:55 AM
- - KOpower   By the way, I still think this fight could and sho...   Dec 31 2012, 09:59 AM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (KOpower @ Dec 31 2012, 08:59 AM) B...   Jan 1 2013, 05:02 PM
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- - checkleft   QUOTE (KOpower @ Dec 31 2012, 10:55 AM) 1...   Dec 31 2012, 04:23 PM
- - Cshel86   Mayweather vs Pacquiao talk?!   Jan 1 2013, 07:57 PM
- - BoxingFan86   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jan 1 2013, 07:57 PM) Ma...   Jan 1 2013, 08:11 PM


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