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[Gambit808]

Rumor has it Roach may be losing yet another fighter in Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. after a bad 2012 that seen all of his top fighters take L's on their record. It's being said that either Nacho Beristain or Robert Garcia are in the top running to replace Roach. If Rumor holds true, I think it be a good Match for either trainer to take over. I'd leen more toward seeing Nacho Train him because I feel it being a no nonsense better mesh between Legendary Trainer teaching Son Of A Legend on the come up.

Your Thoughts.

[Cshel86]

...but c'mon now...Freddie Roach is the best trainer in the world, and the best in all boxing history. Give the guy a break. Sheesh...

[daprofessor]

...but c'mon now...Freddie Roach is the best trainer in the world, and the best in all boxing history. Give the guy a break. Sheesh...

freddie was actually improving chavez. the problem was chavez had some success and bounced. there's waaaay too many chiefs in his camp. waaay too many yes men too. the combination of freddie and ariza was working. he should have stuck with it.

[wolterb]

freddie was actually improving chavez. the problem was chavez had some success and bounced. there's waaaay too many chiefs in his camp. waaay too many yes men too. the combination of freddie and ariza was working. he should have stuck with it.

What improvements did you see, just curious? I think had Chavez jr been receptive to roach he would have improved but as I said before, it never appeared to me that chavez jr won fights using skills or strategy.

It always seems to me that chavez jr attempts to execute a game plan initially, fails and then turns into the greenhorn that looks like they just watched Julio Cesar Chavez's highlights. the only reason he can get away with fighting like that is because of the weight game. Chavez jr isn't gonna listen to anyone when he knows his opponents weight is substantially less than his...its a different ball game like that. Ariza is more important than any trainer with that strategy imo

[daprofessor]

What improvements did you see, just curious? I think had Chavez jr been receptive to roach he would have improved but as I said before, it never appeared to me that chavez jr won fights using skills or strategy.

It always seems to me that chavez jr attempts to execute a game plan initially, fails and then turns into the greenhorn that looks like they just watched Julio Cesar Chavez's highlights. the only reason he can get away with fighting like that is because of the weight game. Chavez jr isn't gonna listen to anyone when he knows his opponents weight is substantially less than his...its a different ball game like that. Ariza is more important than any trainer with that strategy imo

the manfredo fight illustrated their work together best. he was jabbing and using foot and head movement. his defense had improved and was showing in that fight. he threw all of that out the window for the fight against lee and martinez. he wasn't going to outbox either of them...but some of those elements would have helped him in both fights. ariza definitely took his conditioning to the next level and he seemed much stronger and his endurance was much better under him. i believe the footwork drills were helping him tremendously.