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daprofessor
post Jan 2 2013, 03:37 PM
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help refresh my memory....when was the last time arum promoted a top black fighter? it seems to me he signs them to protect his best interests.

would u sign with him if u were black?

i remember him playing the race card for kelly pavlik stating that he was being discriminated against because he was white. the black fighters he signs seem to be after thoughts.

what does this mean for tim bradley???
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post Jan 2 2013, 04:14 PM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jan 2 2013, 08:37 PM) *
help refresh my memory....when was the last time arum promoted a top black fighter? it seems to me he signs them to protect his best interests.

would u sign with him if u were black?

i remember him playing the race card for kelly pavlik stating that he was being discriminated against because he was white. the black fighters he signs seem to be after thoughts.

what does this mean for tim bradley???

With me being half and half i consider myself more black than white which im sure most of society does although its not true, i think i would sign to TR over GBP but i'd join Al Haymon over anything if i had the chance, it seems evident that Top Rank is better at promoting young fighters than GBP but i also think Al Haymon is the best at promoting young black fighter and Haymon is where the money is and any fighter who signs with him has a chance at money and stardom and thats my reasoning

I see where you're going with the last time he promoted a black fighter but technically Gamboa, Rigondeaux and Fortuna are black fighters although they are not african-americans they all come from african descent

With Tim Bradley i don't really think he would have featured in any of Bob's plans whether he was black, white, green or blue and so thats why i think he's struggling to fight big names and get a big payday although on paper he just beat one of the best fighters in the world.
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post Jan 2 2013, 06:31 PM
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QUOTE (Kratza @ Jan 2 2013, 05:14 PM) *
With me being half and half i consider myself more black than white which im sure most of society does although its not true, i think i would sign to TR over GBP but i'd join Al Haymon over anything if i had the chance, it seems evident that Top Rank is better at promoting young fighters than GBP but i also think Al Haymon is the best at promoting young black fighter and Haymon is where the money is and any fighter who signs with him has a chance at money and stardom and thats my reasoning

I see where you're going with the last time he promoted a black fighter but technically Gamboa, Rigondeaux and Fortuna are black fighters although they are not african-americans they all come from african descent

With Tim Bradley i don't really think he would have featured in any of Bob's plans whether he was black, white, green or blue and so thats why i think he's struggling to fight big names and get a big payday although on paper he just beat one of the best fighters in the world.


no arguments on that. i agree, but are/were they being promoted by arum? gamboa had that fall out with arum over not wanting to extend his contract...and arum trying to serve him up to rios who is a physically bigger fighter but much lower skill level. that is an illustration of a promoter not exactly looking out for gamboa's best interest. ridondeaux has a title...and is a two time gold medalist!!! this guy is definitely something special...and arum really isn't pushing him.

i agree with ur take on haymon...he's definitely filling a void left by don king who knew how to promote any fighter.

technically...he is promoting gamboa even though 50 bought out his contract...and rigondeaux...but i can't help but think they should be bigger stars. let's not forget...the peterson brothers were both signed with arum. they really took back seat in that company. so did zahir raheem, joshua clottey and what ever happened to that black jewish guy he promoted anthony 'the messenger' thompson?

i can't help but think that arums plans with pac/bradley failed and bradley became the casualty in all of that. i don't see any real push for him to promote bradley and i seriously doubt bradley is going to flourish under him. i hope i'm wrong...but the pattern exists. i would be totally shocked if arum started putting on some 'black power' cards similar to the ones he was doing with donaire and his 'pinoy power' cards. i won't hold my breath.
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jan 2 2013, 06:31 PM) *
no arguments on that. i agree, but are/were they being promoted by arum? gamboa had that fall out with arum over not wanting to extend his contract...and arum trying to serve him up to rios who is a physically bigger fighter but much lower skill level. that is an illustration of a promoter not exactly looking out for gamboa's best interest. ridondeaux has a title...and is a two time gold medalist!!! this guy is definitely something special...and arum really isn't pushing him.

i agree with ur take on haymon...he's definitely filling a void left by don king who knew how to promote any fighter.

technically...he is promoting gamboa even though 50 bought out his contract...and rigondeaux...but i can't help but think they should be bigger stars. let's not forget...the peterson brothers were both signed with arum. they really took back seat in that company. so did zahir raheem, joshua clottey and what ever happened to that black jewish guy he promoted anthony 'the messenger' thompson?

i can't help but think that arums plans with pac/bradley failed and bradley became the casualty in all of that. i don't see any real push for him to promote bradley and i seriously doubt bradley is going to flourish under him. i hope i'm wrong...but the pattern exists. i would be totally shocked if arum started putting on some 'black power' cards similar to the ones he was doing with donaire and his 'pinoy power' cards. i won't hold my breath.


Agreed with entire post.

I just cant see past a fight with Marquez what else Arum can do for him?

While we all know Arum loves to recycle TR fighters for his money fighter, I still dont see him as that.. in fact, imo he lost stock with his move to Arum and lost even more with his win against Pac. (Confusing I know)..

Arum is starting to lose star power with his guys and needs to invest heavily into Bradley starting NOW. He needs to be the man to beat and honestly, nobody gives a shit who he is other than us boxin folks. It was a gamble on Tim's side to Join TR, all he wanted was Pac. Well, he got Pac, got his payday, got the nod,.. but he lost the fight, and lost his Marketability (for now).

Black fighter or not, a move to Arum is like a deal with the devil.
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- daprofessor   if you were a black fighter...would you sign with bob arum?   Jan 2 2013, 03:37 PM
- - Kratza   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jan 2 2013, 08:37 PM...   Jan 2 2013, 04:14 PM
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- - BigFightFan   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jan 2 2013, 03:37 PM...   Jan 2 2013, 05:49 PM
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- - Plah   Al Haymon all the way.   Jan 2 2013, 05:51 PM
- - mgrover   the question is if you were any fighter would you ...   Jan 2 2013, 09:51 PM
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|- - Franchize   QUOTE (mgrover @ Jan 2 2013, 10:51 PM) th...   Jan 3 2013, 09:37 AM
- - mrchitown   If I was a pro fighter or looking to turn pro, I...   Jan 3 2013, 12:21 AM
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- - checkleft   QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jan 2 2013, 10:48 PM) W...   Jan 3 2013, 12:23 AM
- - Cshel86   I signed with TR around the same time that Bradley...   Jan 3 2013, 10:53 AM
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