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Cshel86
post Jan 5 2013, 11:22 PM
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As I watched Pac/JMM 4 during the pageantry...I just had this weird realization. As I heard the anthem for the Philippines....I just couldn't help but to think...nobody in fuckin' hell is ever gonna replace Manny Pacquiao.

As Donaire and Gesta's names scroll through my head...I just see tumbleweed bouncing. I see nothing past that. All I can remember is the night of May 2004 when I saw a relentless little Filipino monster who couldn't get tired to save his life, coupled with a then unknown Mexican fighter who wouldn't give it up.

Just watching Manny warm up and the crowd drooling over him, I just dont see another Filipino fighter replacing him, or being better than him (popularity wise) for a looooong time. Regardless of how I feel about his shitty team and his crazed fans...I just have to see this dude fight at least 3 more times before he hangs them up.

There's no telling when we'll ever hear that Philippines anthem again. Donaire is poo-poo and couldn't even buy fans if he wanted to, and Gesta is just...well, who is he?

What do you guys think?

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post Jan 6 2013, 12:52 AM
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Coming out of such a small islands and being such an exciting fighter I doubt we will see another fighter from the Philippines again. But like Puerto Rico with Tito I'm sure their will be a cotto that can take the torch, not to the same extent, from manny.
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post Jan 6 2013, 02:42 AM
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It's obvious that TR is trying to hype Donaire...and to a lesser extent Gesta, up as the next big thing out of the Philippines. I don't see either one coming anywhere near Manny's level though.

My thing with Donaire is I believe fans are starting to see thru his bull crap, he talks a good game but he doesn't back it up truthfully, I read an interview he recently did talking about the Rigo and Mares fights were not going to happen soon. He talks as if he's top dog and he's not. I think he loses to Mares if they ever lace up. And if he goes up to 126 he better stay clear of Russell or it'll be night night. Gesta fights are just uninspiring

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post Jan 6 2013, 04:35 AM
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Agreed. There won't be another Pacquiao for decades, perhaps.

Gesta is a scrub. I also hate to break it to Donaire fans, but here's the deal: he's good, but will never be as good as Pacquiao.

The depth of Pacquiao's popularity in the Philippines is mind-boggling. To think that all crime stops when he fights, because even the most hardcore of gangbangers are indoors, watching the fight, is unfathomable.

I'm glad we were able to witness him at his best.
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post Jan 6 2013, 05:04 PM
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QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jan 6 2013, 12:22 AM) *
As I watched Pac/JMM 4 during the pageantry...I just had this weird realization. As I heard the anthem for the Philippines....I just couldn't help but to think...nobody in fuckin' hell is ever gonna replace Manny Pacquiao.

As Donaire and Gesta's names scroll through my head...I just see tumbleweed bouncing. I see nothing past that. All I can remember is the night of May 2004 when I saw a relentless little Filipino monster who couldn't get tired to save his life, coupled with a then unknown Mexican fighter who wouldn't give it up.

Just watching Manny warm up and the crowd drooling over him, I just dont see another Filipino fighter replacing him, or being better than him (popularity wise) for a looooong time. Regardless of how I feel about his shitty team and his crazed fans...I just have to see this dude fight at least 3 more times before he hangs them up.

There's no telling when we'll ever hear that Philippines anthem again. Donaire is poo-poo and couldn't even buy fans if he wanted to, and Gesta is just...well, who is he?

What do you guys think?

PS: Booze are involved in this post.


honestly...it'll be a long time before boxing has another pacquiao of any race. that dude is larger than life and transcends boxing like no one since ali. even though i thought his ascension through the ranks and weight classes was smoke and mirrors...there's no denying his popularity.

donaire, if he can get past mares and rigondeaux impressively, will be a huge star. he has the opportunity for a shot at greatness. we'll see...

as for gesta...he never even registered on the radar. i think his last fight showed he doesn't belong.
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post Jan 7 2013, 01:45 PM
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QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jan 6 2013, 12:22 AM) *
As I watched Pac/JMM 4 during the pageantry...I just had this weird realization. As I heard the anthem for the Philippines....I just couldn't help but to think...nobody in fuckin' hell is ever gonna replace Manny Pacquiao.

As Donaire and Gesta's names scroll through my head...I just see tumbleweed bouncing. I see nothing past that. All I can remember is the night of May 2004 when I saw a relentless little Filipino monster who couldn't get tired to save his life, coupled with a then unknown Mexican fighter who wouldn't give it up.

Just watching Manny warm up and the crowd drooling over him, I just dont see another Filipino fighter replacing him, or being better than him (popularity wise) for a looooong time. Regardless of how I feel about his shitty team and his crazed fans...I just have to see this dude fight at least 3 more times before he hangs them up.

There's no telling when we'll ever hear that Philippines anthem again. Donaire is poo-poo and couldn't even buy fans if he wanted to, and Gesta is just...well, who is he?

What do you guys think?

PS: Booze are involved in this post.


I totally agree, which is why I stil want to see Mayweather vs Pacquiao. People always talk about soccer as being this great international sport...but soccer isn't that popular here. People talk about tennis being a great international sport...but tennis in America is weakening. People talk about golf being a good international sport...but golf has an age group restriction as far as it's core audience. EVERYBODY loves a good fight. Ultimately, regardless of who you root for or whether you cheer for anyone inparticular at all, there is once thing that can be said. Mayweather, Cotto, Pacquiao and Hatton kept boxing alive! We've seen guys go to war like Rios, Alvarado, Garcia, Chavez Jr, Bradley, Maidana, Matthysse, Magarito. No casual fan goes out their way to see those guys fight still. We see master technicians like Hopkins, Ward and MArtinez and Dawson to an extent. No casual fans go out their way to see those guys either. The energy behind a Hatton, Pacquiao, Mayweather or Cotto fight hasn't been felt since the 80's and 90's. I think those guys' contributions to the sport OUTSIDE of the ring has been greatly underappreciated. Their fan base and magnetic personas are unlike anybody else in the sport. Furthermore, other than maybe Broner, I don't see anybody on the horizon who's going to garner the attention these guys have.
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post Jan 7 2013, 02:39 PM
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I'm surprised Cshel said something actually nice about Pacquiao lol. jk.

But anyways, yes. I believe there will never be another Manny Pacquiao. I remember during the Hatton fight when I was in the Philippines. They air the fights there on a Sunday afternoon. It pissed me the hell off because I couldn't go anywhere. There was no transportation available. I stayed in a semi suburban area. I'm like wtf is this, it's like a ghost town. Businesses were still open but no one is buying or paying attention since they're all glued to the tv.

I have never seen anything like it. Not Donaire or even any other boxer Filipino or not has captured attention like Pacquiao has done. Mind you during the Pac Marquez fight, we all hear the Mexican fans but thats just the norm when there's a Mexican boxer fighting. It happened with Mayweather vs Marquez, Chavez jr vs Martinez.

But to transcend a sport that casual fans (Pactards) even pay attention to boxing is unreal. I guess its because of Pacquiao's upbringing. He's story is pure true. Came from poverty, rose thru the ranks and fought the way boxing image is. Toe to toe action.

I'm just amazed that the American public rejoiced Pacquiao's presence in boxing for too long. Floyd Mayweather, as popular as he is. He had to put on a persona, a character and his Godly skill to just watch him. Pacquiao on the other hand is different.

This is what they call charisma. People sometimes just has that special something that just grabs people's attention. It happened with Sugar Ray Leonard, and Oscar Dela Hoya. Even though Dela hoya lost all his big fights. People just came to watch him.


Sad, Filipino boxers have more sad story than Pacquiao has but never will they be recognized. They just don't have IT.

I too hope Pacquiao stays fighting for one more year at least. Win or lose, ktfo or not. He's exciting to watch and will always watch him fight.
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post Jan 7 2013, 03:14 PM
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QUOTE (pimpfighterROQ @ Jan 7 2013, 02:39 PM) *
I'm surprised Cshel said something actually nice about Pacquiao lol. jk.

But anyways, yes. I believe there will never be another Manny Pacquiao. I remember during the Hatton fight when I was in the Philippines. They air the fights there on a Sunday afternoon. It pissed me the hell off because I couldn't go anywhere. There was no transportation available. I stayed in a semi suburban area. I'm like wtf is this, it's like a ghost town. Businesses were still open but no one is buying or paying attention since they're all glued to the tv.

I have never seen anything like it. Not Donaire or even any other boxer Filipino or not has captured attention like Pacquiao has done. Mind you during the Pac Marquez fight, we all hear the Mexican fans but thats just the norm when there's a Mexican boxer fighting. It happened with Mayweather vs Marquez, Chavez jr vs Martinez.

But to transcend a sport that casual fans (Pactards) even pay attention to boxing is unreal. I guess its because of Pacquiao's upbringing. He's story is pure true. Came from poverty, rose thru the ranks and fought the way boxing image is. Toe to toe action.

I'm just amazed that the American public rejoiced Pacquiao's presence in boxing for too long. Floyd Mayweather, as popular as he is. He had to put on a persona, a character and his Godly skill to just watch him. Pacquiao on the other hand is different.

This is what they call charisma. People sometimes just has that special something that just grabs people's attention. It happened with Sugar Ray Leonard, and Oscar Dela Hoya. Even though Dela hoya lost all his big fights. People just came to watch him.


Sad, Filipino boxers have more sad story than Pacquiao has but never will they be recognized. They just don't have IT.

I too hope Pacquiao stays fighting for one more year at least. Win or lose, ktfo or not. He's exciting to watch and will always watch him fight.

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Whats up Pimp! I have my moments when I say bad stuff about Manny, but its more aimed towards his fan base, than anything. NOW, if you wanna see me say some crazy stuff, then read some of the stuff that I post in Canelo and Robert Guerrero threads...no mercy whatsoever. Lol

Is there a reason that you were in the Philippines during the Hatton/Pac fight? Military? Family?

I agree with your points and everyone else's above...there will NEVER be another Manny Pacquiao...unless it's followed by "Jr." Lol. Hell, even Michael Jordan's son caught hell after walking in his dad's shoes. I guess the struggle separated him from his son. The same goes for Floyd's kids...it's hard to fill your dad's shoes when you've grown up without the same adversaries as he did.

Floyd Jr's case was a bit different. I guess his father's incarceration, still living in poverty, and his motivation to change all of that, made him what he is. If we all remember correctly, his dad wasn't all that special as a pro and his defense wasn't appreciated as it is today when FMJ exhibits it. So I guess that situation made it a tangible goal for Floyd to be achieve and exceed.

Really though, having a whole country behind you, is hard to top. Manny's given situation as a child, made it that much greater when he became a star. I can't imagine Donaire in the dressing room warming up the Filippino anthem...dude just doesn't have it. He hasn't even been built to be a star. I go back and look at Manny's career upbringing...the Barrera fight (where nobody gave him a chance), the first Marquez fight, and his Morales fights. At the lower weights, those fights pretty much sealed the deal, and showed us that Donaire will NEVER fill those shoes..regardless of his future opponents.

Pacquiao made motherfuckers PROUD to be Filippino. Hell, sometimes I wanna try to blend in with some Filippinos, just to feel like I'm a part of something. Lol.
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post Jan 8 2013, 12:18 AM
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QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jan 5 2013, 09:22 PM) *
As I watched Pac/JMM 4 during the pageantry...I just had this weird realization. As I heard the anthem for the Philippines....I just couldn't help but to think...nobody in fuckin' hell is ever gonna replace Manny Pacquiao.

As Donaire and Gesta's names scroll through my head...I just see tumbleweed bouncing. I see nothing past that. All I can remember is the night of May 2004 when I saw a relentless little Filipino monster who couldn't get tired to save his life, coupled with a then unknown Mexican fighter who wouldn't give it up.

Just watching Manny warm up and the crowd drooling over him, I just dont see another Filipino fighter replacing him, or being better than him (popularity wise) for a looooong time. Regardless of how I feel about his shitty team and his crazed fans...I just have to see this dude fight at least 3 more times before he hangs them up.

There's no telling when we'll ever hear that Philippines anthem again. Donaire is poo-poo and couldn't even buy fans if he wanted to, and Gesta is just...well, who is he?

What do you guys think?

PS: Booze are involved in this post.


You think about Filipino boxers when you drink bro? Good riddance. He was a hype job. If the Filipino's can produce a real champion than people will be interested. The Filipino Flab Donaire is a waste and Gesta just sounds boring. One day the Filipino people will look back at the Pacquiao experience and realize they were hookwinked. Manny is like a boyband in three years he is forgotten. And is their national anthem really that catchy? No. Now the Ugandan National Anthem makes you want to get buck and go HAM on everyone. lol
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post Jan 8 2013, 10:00 AM
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QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jan 8 2013, 12:18 AM) *
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You think about Filipino boxers when you drink bro? Good riddance. He was a hype job. If the Filipino's can produce a real champion than people will be interested. The Filipino Flab Donaire is a waste and Gesta just sounds boring. One day the Filipino people will look back at the Pacquiao experience and realize they were hookwinked. Manny is like a boyband in three years he is forgotten. And is their national anthem really that catchy? No. Now the Ugandan National Anthem makes you want to get buck and go HAM on everyone. lol

No funny guy, I dont think about Filippino boxers when I drink. Though Manny's post-130 lb career was mostly hype and great matchmaking, he's still a star. Doesn't that happen with all of the megastars in boxing? You cant deny those Barrera, Morales, and Marquez fights...nobody can.

Take a listen at their national anthem for yourself, no need for me to explain it. Point is, you wont be hearing it while a megastar is preparing to enter the ring. Instead, it will more than likely be shoved down our throats.

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