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Cshel86
post Jan 5 2013, 11:22 PM
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As I watched Pac/JMM 4 during the pageantry...I just had this weird realization. As I heard the anthem for the Philippines....I just couldn't help but to think...nobody in fuckin' hell is ever gonna replace Manny Pacquiao.

As Donaire and Gesta's names scroll through my head...I just see tumbleweed bouncing. I see nothing past that. All I can remember is the night of May 2004 when I saw a relentless little Filipino monster who couldn't get tired to save his life, coupled with a then unknown Mexican fighter who wouldn't give it up.

Just watching Manny warm up and the crowd drooling over him, I just dont see another Filipino fighter replacing him, or being better than him (popularity wise) for a looooong time. Regardless of how I feel about his shitty team and his crazed fans...I just have to see this dude fight at least 3 more times before he hangs them up.

There's no telling when we'll ever hear that Philippines anthem again. Donaire is poo-poo and couldn't even buy fans if he wanted to, and Gesta is just...well, who is he?

What do you guys think?

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Cshel86
post Jan 9 2013, 09:07 AM
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I hate it for Donaire though, seriously. He's failed to find his identity in the sport, and that's mostly due to his competition. Most of those guys in the lower weight classes nowadays, have failed to make a name for themselves, so it's harder for Donaire to do so.

He's not blessed with the Barreras, Moraleses (hope I spelled that right), or the Marquezes of the world. Gary Russell Jr. and few other guys in the smaller weight classes are pretty much in the same boat, in regards to not having competition.
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post Jan 9 2013, 03:49 PM
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QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jan 9 2013, 09:07 AM) *
I hate it for Donaire though, seriously. He's failed to find his identity in the sport, and that's mostly due to his competition. Most of those guys in the lower weight classes nowadays, have failed to make a name for themselves, so it's harder for Donaire to do so.

He's not blessed with the Barreras, Moraleses (hope I spelled that right), or the Marquezes of the world. Gary Russell Jr. and few other guys in the smaller weight classes are pretty much in the same boat, in regards to not having competition.


he has plenty.

rigondeaux, mares, agbeko, moreno, russell, rojas (kid that got in arces ass) and a few others.

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post Jan 9 2013, 04:45 PM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jan 9 2013, 03:49 PM) *
he has plenty.

rigondeaux, mares, agbeko, moreno, russell, rojas (kid that got in arces ass) and a few others.

The sad thing about the fights you listed is, Donaire would actually have to have a knockdown-dragout with these guys, to even get noticed. It would probably have to be a JMM/Pac 1 or a Gatti/Ward-type fight, for people to even look his way.

Rigondeaux is still unknown, and I feel that Donaire beats him badly (after watching the Marroquin fight), Mares may give him a run, it depends on which Agbeko shows up, Russell will have trouble with Donaire's athleticism and size (I believe), and Rojas may give him arun...but his aggression may play against him.

Maybe I'm reaching here, but who knows. I hope I'm wrong though. As much as I don't like Donaire, I would like to see ALL fighters reach their max potential.
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post Jan 9 2013, 06:16 PM
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QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jan 9 2013, 04:45 PM) *
The sad thing about the fights you listed is, Donaire would actually have to have a knockdown-dragout with these guys, to even get noticed. It would probably have to be a JMM/Pac 1 or a Gatti/Ward-type fight, for people to even look his way.

Rigondeaux is still unknown, and I feel that Donaire beats him badly (after watching the Marroquin fight), Mares may give him a run, it depends on which Agbeko shows up, Russell will have trouble with Donaire's athleticism and size (I believe), and Rojas may give him arun...but his aggression may play against him.

Maybe I'm reaching here, but who knows. I hope I'm wrong though. As much as I don't like Donaire, I would like to see ALL fighters reach their max potential.



u don't have to be popular to make an all time great fight. how popular were corrales/castillo to average fans when they fought? how about vasquez/marquez? i can go down a long list of great historical fights that fit this bill.

i'm not convinced donaire beats any of the guys i mentioned. i see rigondeaux and moreno giving him the hardest times. i wouldn't be shocked if agbeko beats him either. russell is the type of guy who could blow donaire out the water. he's at the weight class above...so i don't believe size will be an issue...plus he's blazing fast and throws much more technically sound punches than donaire. russell is a haymon fighter so we can pretty much rule out arum ever allowing donaire and russell in the same ring.

donaire has the opposition to achieve greatness. his ko wins over an undefeated darchinyan and a very highly skilled montiel are the type of wins that put him on his way and even got him into super stardom and the p4p conversation to begin with.
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