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Cshel86
post Jan 5 2013, 11:22 PM
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As I watched Pac/JMM 4 during the pageantry...I just had this weird realization. As I heard the anthem for the Philippines....I just couldn't help but to think...nobody in fuckin' hell is ever gonna replace Manny Pacquiao.

As Donaire and Gesta's names scroll through my head...I just see tumbleweed bouncing. I see nothing past that. All I can remember is the night of May 2004 when I saw a relentless little Filipino monster who couldn't get tired to save his life, coupled with a then unknown Mexican fighter who wouldn't give it up.

Just watching Manny warm up and the crowd drooling over him, I just dont see another Filipino fighter replacing him, or being better than him (popularity wise) for a looooong time. Regardless of how I feel about his shitty team and his crazed fans...I just have to see this dude fight at least 3 more times before he hangs them up.

There's no telling when we'll ever hear that Philippines anthem again. Donaire is poo-poo and couldn't even buy fans if he wanted to, and Gesta is just...well, who is he?

What do you guys think?

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post Jan 8 2013, 12:18 AM
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QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jan 5 2013, 09:22 PM) *
As I watched Pac/JMM 4 during the pageantry...I just had this weird realization. As I heard the anthem for the Philippines....I just couldn't help but to think...nobody in fuckin' hell is ever gonna replace Manny Pacquiao.

As Donaire and Gesta's names scroll through my head...I just see tumbleweed bouncing. I see nothing past that. All I can remember is the night of May 2004 when I saw a relentless little Filipino monster who couldn't get tired to save his life, coupled with a then unknown Mexican fighter who wouldn't give it up.

Just watching Manny warm up and the crowd drooling over him, I just dont see another Filipino fighter replacing him, or being better than him (popularity wise) for a looooong time. Regardless of how I feel about his shitty team and his crazed fans...I just have to see this dude fight at least 3 more times before he hangs them up.

There's no telling when we'll ever hear that Philippines anthem again. Donaire is poo-poo and couldn't even buy fans if he wanted to, and Gesta is just...well, who is he?

What do you guys think?

PS: Booze are involved in this post.


You think about Filipino boxers when you drink bro? Good riddance. He was a hype job. If the Filipino's can produce a real champion than people will be interested. The Filipino Flab Donaire is a waste and Gesta just sounds boring. One day the Filipino people will look back at the Pacquiao experience and realize they were hookwinked. Manny is like a boyband in three years he is forgotten. And is their national anthem really that catchy? No. Now the Ugandan National Anthem makes you want to get buck and go HAM on everyone. lol
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post Jan 8 2013, 10:00 AM
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QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jan 8 2013, 12:18 AM) *
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You think about Filipino boxers when you drink bro? Good riddance. He was a hype job. If the Filipino's can produce a real champion than people will be interested. The Filipino Flab Donaire is a waste and Gesta just sounds boring. One day the Filipino people will look back at the Pacquiao experience and realize they were hookwinked. Manny is like a boyband in three years he is forgotten. And is their national anthem really that catchy? No. Now the Ugandan National Anthem makes you want to get buck and go HAM on everyone. lol

No funny guy, I dont think about Filippino boxers when I drink. Though Manny's post-130 lb career was mostly hype and great matchmaking, he's still a star. Doesn't that happen with all of the megastars in boxing? You cant deny those Barrera, Morales, and Marquez fights...nobody can.

Take a listen at their national anthem for yourself, no need for me to explain it. Point is, you wont be hearing it while a megastar is preparing to enter the ring. Instead, it will more than likely be shoved down our throats.

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post Jan 8 2013, 12:24 PM
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QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jan 8 2013, 08:00 AM) *
No funny guy, I dont think about Filippino boxers when I drink. Though Manny's post-130 lb career was mostly hype and great matchmaking, he's still a star. Doesn't that happen with all of the megastars in boxing? You cant deny those Barrera, Morales, and Marquez fights...nobody can.

Take a listen at their national anthem for yourself, no need for me to explain it. Point is, you wont be hearing it while a megastar is preparing to enter the ring. Instead, it will more than likely be shoved down our throats.


Dude you just stated that alcohol was involved in your post its whatever.

His fights at the lower level were great and even legitimate and i think I like that version of Pacquiao anyway. When he started moving up and the catch weights the BS 8 weight championships BS that is when he lost me. Then the steroids allegations it was too much plus the hype that was behind him buried my liking for him. There maybe another great Filipino boxer in the years to come, I do not see the Filipino Flab and Gesta as the next in line. People said that there will never be another Mayweather and we have Broner the closest thing. So chin up and dry your eyes the Island will rise again.
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post Jan 8 2013, 12:54 PM
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QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jan 8 2013, 12:24 PM) *
Dude you just stated that alcohol was involved in your post its whatever.

His fights at the lower level were great and even legitimate and i think I like that version of Pacquiao anyway. When he started moving up and the catch weights the BS 8 weight championships BS that is when he lost me. Then the steroids allegations it was too much plus the hype that was behind him buried my liking for him. There maybe another great Filipino boxer in the years to come, I do not see the Filipino Flab and Gesta as the next in line. People said that there will never be another Mayweather and we have Broner the closest thing. So chin up and dry your eyes the Island will rise again.

Fact of the matter is, dude was built to be a megastar, and that doesn't involve stiff competition on a consistent basis. The point of building a megastar in boxing, is to KEEP them a star for as long as possible.

Oscar was one of the few that fought just about everybody out there, win lose or draw. The difference between him and Manny is, Oscar was a star from jump. Remember when Manny was known as "The Destroyer"...who was checking for him back then? No many.

Hell, nobody even knew where his career was going around the time of the Barrera rematch. Hell, things didn't start to look on the uphill for him, until the second Marquez fight. Around that time, people's attention was hardly on the lightweight division, or anything below that.

With that in mind, getting to the top is hard...but staying there is even harder. If you're smart, you'd maximize the low/medium risk fights, and move forward in that Manny.

Please dont insult Mayweather by saying that Broner replaces him, sorry, but that's far from the truth. Difference is, we're talking about a guy from the U.S., very a needle in the haystack talent from a 3rd world country. And please cut the chummy stuff about "chinning up and drying my eyes", it aint that serious bro.
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post Jan 8 2013, 02:33 PM
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QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jan 8 2013, 10:54 AM) *
Fact of the matter is, dude was built to be a megastar, and that doesn't involve stiff competition on a consistent basis. The point of building a megastar in boxing, is to KEEP them a star for as long as possible.

Oscar was one of the few that fought just about everybody out there, win lose or draw. The difference between him and Manny is, Oscar was a star from jump. Remember when Manny was known as "The Destroyer"...who was checking for him back then? No many.

Hell, nobody even knew where his career was going around the time of the Barrera rematch. Hell, things didn't start to look on the uphill for him, until the second Marquez fight. Around that time, people's attention was hardly on the lightweight division, or anything below that.

With that in mind, getting to the top is hard...but staying there is even harder. If you're smart, you'd maximize the low/medium risk fights, and move forward in that Manny.

Please dont insult Mayweather by saying that Broner replaces him, sorry, but that's far from the truth. Difference is, we're talking about a guy from the U.S., very a needle in the haystack talent from a 3rd world country. And please cut the chummy stuff about "chinning up and drying my eyes", it aint that serious bro.


Is Broner not the closest boxing has to Mayweather? Si or No? For some reason that is what the boxing community has suggested bro, and you were the one who got testy with I. Maybe you know something that boxing pundits don't. DO I think Broner will surpass Mayweather heck no, Broner will take an L sooner rather than later. Broner gets hit way too much and his conditioning and ring IQ is not even close to Mayweather. Plus Broner relies far too heavy on his talent. Just like Pacquiao.
What made Manny a superstar was his size and the way he fought his competition. He is exciting and has that "good guy" role down to the max. I give that to him. But when he started getting exposed that is when the light got a little brighter and hotter at the same. Oscar as you mentioned fought everyone and his power was in his female fanbase. There were more women at his matches than men! But he gave the sport life and excitement. Pacquiao gave hope to a nation so they say. He is an exciting boxer that can and will be replaced. The moment they find another "humble" hard hitting Filipino he will be a star and you can hear the national anthem of the Philippines once again bro.
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post Jan 8 2013, 04:40 PM
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QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jan 8 2013, 02:33 PM) *
Is Broner not the closest boxing has to Mayweather? Si or No? For some reason that is what the boxing community has suggested bro, and you were the one who got testy with I. Maybe you know something that boxing pundits don't. DO I think Broner will surpass Mayweather heck no, Broner will take an L sooner rather than later. Broner gets hit way too much and his conditioning and ring IQ is not even close to Mayweather. Plus Broner relies far too heavy on his talent. Just like Pacquiao.
What made Manny a superstar was his size and the way he fought his competition. He is exciting and has that "good guy" role down to the max. I give that to him. But when he started getting exposed that is when the light got a little brighter and hotter at the same. Oscar as you mentioned fought everyone and his power was in his female fanbase. There were more women at his matches than men! But he gave the sport life and excitement. Pacquiao gave hope to a nation so they say. He is an exciting boxer that can and will be replaced. The moment they find another "humble" hard hitting Filipino he will be a star and you can hear the national anthem of the Philippines once again bro.

I agree that Broner fights like Mayweather, but will he ultimately replace him? That remains to be seen. Trust me, pundits are exactly whats killing the sport, and you would have to operationally define the "boxing community". If we actually went by what the boxing community suggested (strictly), then we'd be in a world of hurt.

The bold is what I've been saying the whole time, so we obviously agree somewhere in this whole thing. I'm almost inclined to say that Manny has become bigger than Oscar De La Hoya, and that's a daunting task in itself.
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post Jan 8 2013, 05:44 PM
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QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jan 8 2013, 02:40 PM) *
I agree that Broner fights like Mayweather, but will he ultimately replace him? That remains to be seen. Trust me, pundits are exactly whats killing the sport, and you would have to operationally define the "boxing community". If we actually went by what the boxing community suggested (strictly), then we'd be in a world of hurt.

The bold is what I've been saying the whole time, so we obviously agree somewhere in this whole thing. I'm almost inclined to say that Manny has become bigger than Oscar De La Hoya, and that's a daunting task in itself.


Cshel86 and this is what pisses me off about the whole Manny thing. Oscar fought everyone. He moved up in weight to fight Hopkins! He didn't drain him he moved up to fight him! That is why Oscar has my respect, he lost of course but still he went to challenge a champion and Manny has never done that. Either he drains them or puts stipulations on the weight clause. Manny's earlier fights with the aforementioned opponents were great, he showed heart and a willingness to take punishment and give it but as he grew in popularity his competition became suspect and no one because he was "Mr. Humble Nice Guy I fight for my People" questioned his opponents or how he made them fight. The moment this guy gets dropped all of the sudden PEDs are bad for boxing. Oscar earned his ranks Manny was given his,

I agree 100% that boxing pundits and "sports" writers are destroying boxing and sports as a whole. They pick their favorites and write warm cuddly feeling articles about their heroes and demonized the ones they hate. In return the clueless public goes along with their BS. Take HBO's nut sucking sperm swallowing of Pacquiao, they have to save face because they were responsible for hyping Manny up to be this unstoppable force. Now Marquez is a cheat and boxing needs harder testing.

Broner will lose at least 3 to 4 fights. Maybe by the end of the year or early 2014. He takes too many risks, he cares about looking good rather than boxing smart. That could be his downfall. I think he is a damn good salesman I do. I do not see the dedication in Broner to boxing that Mayweather has. Only time will tell bro so the only thing we can do is watch.

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QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jan 8 2013, 05:44 PM) *
Cshel86 and this is what pisses me off about the whole Manny thing. Oscar fought everyone. He moved up in weight to fight Hopkins! He didn't drain him he moved up to fight him! That is why Oscar has my respect, he lost of course but still he went to challenge a champion and Manny has never done that. Either he drains them or puts stipulations on the weight clause. Manny's earlier fights with the aforementioned opponents were great, he showed heart and a willingness to take punishment and give it but as he grew in popularity his competition became suspect and no one because he was "Mr. Humble Nice Guy I fight for my People" questioned his opponents or how he made them fight. The moment this guy gets dropped all of the sudden PEDs are bad for boxing. Oscar earned his ranks Manny was given his,

I agree 100% that boxing pundits and "sports" writers are destroying boxing and sports as a whole. They pick their favorites and write warm cuddly feeling articles about their heroes and demonized the ones they hate. In return the clueless public goes along with their BS. Take HBO's nut sucking sperm swallowing of Pacquiao, they have to save face because they were responsible for hyping Manny up to be this unstoppable force. Now Marquez is a cheat and boxing needs harder testing.

Broner will lose at least 3 to 4 fights. Maybe by the end of the year or early 2014. He takes too many risks, he cares about looking good rather than boxing smart. That could be his downfall. I think he is a damn good salesman I do. I do not see the dedication in Broner to boxing that Mayweather has. Only time will tell bro so the only thing we can do is watch.


he made bhop drop. he was 156 for that fight.
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post Jan 9 2013, 09:40 PM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jan 9 2013, 12:39 PM) *
he made bhop drop. he was 156 for that fight.


It was a 157 weight at catchweight correct? Either way he still moved up to fight him. That still gets my respect and Bernard didn't have to kill himself doing it. I thought he looked good in the fight. Thanks for the correction.
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post Jan 9 2013, 11:00 PM
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QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jan 9 2013, 09:40 PM) *
It was a 157 weight at catchweight correct? Either way he still moved up to fight him. That still gets my respect and Bernard didn't have to kill himself doing it. I thought he looked good in the fight. Thanks for the correction.

Manny did the same thing, so whats your point? Manny's opponents never complained about the catchweights either, they were just happy to get a big payday. Later on, they may have complained, but at the moment, no one uttered a word about it.
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QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jan 9 2013, 08:00 PM) *
Manny did the same thing, so whats your point? Manny's opponents never complained about the catchweights either, they were just happy to get a big payday. Later on, they may have complained, but at the moment, no one uttered a word about it.


That was my point. Oscar may had Hopkins come down but he went up and I do not think Hopkins was drained or coming off a loss when he faced Oscar. Manny on the other hand could rehydrate and eat as much as he wants while his other opponents had to keep specified weight. The reason why they didn't complain is because they wanted that paycheck and they also wasn't about to make Arum look like an ass. Just look what happen to Bradley and Clottely after they spoke out. Hell even Miguel didn't want to fight Manny again because of the weight clause. You can't tout yourself as being a 154 champion if you never fought at 154. Saul Alvarez is losing credibility because he has yet to fight someone at his weight class and their are plenty to pick from.

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