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Jack 1000
post Jan 11 2013, 02:47 PM
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I will say,

I would like to see some sort of centralized boxing authority that has the ability to over-power the sanctioning bodies when they do something that is terribly unjust or wrong. Sort of like how the Association of Boxing Commission Rules in the United States and Canada superseded, or at least are supposed to supersede alphabet federation rules. But they don't go far enough. Texas for instance has violated ABC rules by experimenting with the WBC 4th and 8th round Open Scoring system in WBC fights. This is a violation of Unified Rules.

Arkansans tried the WBC Open Scoring Rule in the Taylor-Ouma fight, but it was considered to be experimental at the time. The ABC knew this and overwhelmingly Open Scoring was rejected by almost all US Commissions and the British Boxing Board of Control. It is the ABC that kept Open Scoring thankfully out of the United States and Canada.

However, the model of a centralized boxing commission does not go far enough. And its not just the stopping of any form of Open Scoring, which has, for the most part, been a dismal failure. Why Japan likes it so much, I'll never know. If a centralized and legal authority can overturn alphabet federation protocols that are deplorable, this system should be put in place.

On the other hand, if reasonable and just decisions are made by the sanctioning bodies for the interest of the fighters, this needs to be addressed as well. Not everything an alphabet group does is corrupt. The alphabet federations are much more respected outside of the United States than within. The WBC's insurance and pension program for fighters is a good thing. The "WBC Caress" work with children's hospitals and efforts toward helping kids and fighters with terminal illness is a great thing. I can also say that the WBC out of all of the sanctioning bodies, is the most receptive to communication and feedback. They are always very helpful and willing to answer any questions or feedback that I submit to them.

The WBA is OK for feedback, but they don't respond as in-depth as the WBC does. The WBO is also pretty good for feedback. Years ago, I had a major beef with Bob Lee and the IBF when I bashed Eugenia Williams scoring in the Holyfield-Lewis I fight and recieved quite an angry response where Mr. Lee defended her right down the line. However, we know of the controversy and scandel of Bob Lee's past. Their past president Hiwatha Knight is good, and Joe Dwyer out of New York who is an IBF rep is good as well. Daryl People's the current president I heard is good and reasonable.

If all of these organizations were total shit, than I don't think respected boxing people would go to the conventions as much as they do. Also to be taken into account, has to be that no one has been able to impliment a system for boxing for the past 50 years, that completely eliminates the alphabet federations from the system. If you go with the Teddy Atlas concept of a single national commission some questions need to be addressed:

1.) Under Teddy's Atlas' national commission proposal-who would run such a system? Who would oversee a system of checks and balances to oversee fairness and justice in the system, to prevent another boxing monopoly from taking place? Teddy never talks in detail about such a proposal as to who would run the commission.

2.) I agree that there are far too many belts. WBA Super Champion, an idea proposed by Lennox Lewis to prevent multiple title holders from having to do too many defenses too close together. There should be no Super Champion period. Just call the match a 12-round World Title Elimination Match.

3.) The WBC Diamond Belt-Has no sanctioning fees associated with it and is commemorative only. But it doesn't need to be. This belt goes to the winner of two special fighters who achieved strong boxing status through the years and fight outside their weight class in a bog match. But much like the WBA Superchampion there should not be any belt for title eliminationss.

Eliminate Champion in Recess or as the WBC calls it, champion in recess belts. IF THERE IS NO WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP ON THE LINE, THERE IS NO BELT GIVEN TO THE WINNER OF THE FIGHT. PERIOD.

4.) What all powers that be in boxing SHOULD be promoting is the elimination of TV and promotional monopolies with ANY FIGHTER! This is the type of bullshit that is just as bad as the sanctioning bodies when they do something bad.


5.) Boxing should have a free open market where neither HBO or Showtime are contractually obligated to any fighter or promoter. You would see better fights that way and less politics in getting the best matches made. You go with the best deals for the best fights, no long-term promoter contract monopolist tie-ins. Showtime sort of understands this. HBO doesn't get it. Lamply wouldn't know who to pom-pom if this system went into effect.

6.) Round Robin Elimination tournaments with proposal #5 in effect. Lets see how the best champions of the world federations match up to each other to produce a single unified champion. Get the Association of Boxing Commissions support of this tournament. When the undisputed champion retires or is beaten, the Round Robin elimination tournament begins again. Currently, there are too many fighters who can win a world alphabet belt, without any incentive to unify.

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post Jan 13 2013, 10:30 PM
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As I have stated before, I really like your list Jack. Though, I feel one of the main problems, if not, the main problem are the multiple governing bodies.

Hear me out... The Fertittas are huge boxing fans, and Lorenzo was actually part of the Nevada State Athletic Commission. He wanted to get more involved with boxing. But the more he delved into the workings of the sport, the more he realized (in his words) that the issues that plagued the sport were irreversible. So they ended up buying the UFC on a request from Dana White.

Even though most will not recognize this, it is because of boxing that the UFC is as successful as it is. Dana and the Fertittas recognized what had put boxing in it's current state and knew what to do and what to avoid. Strikeforce was coming up. They bought them out, let the contract run out with Showtime, and now it is gone. The only other legitimate competition the UFC has (if you even want to call it that) is Belator.

The UFC has a great business model and contrary to popular belief, they pay their fighters well...including incentives. The top guys get paid more than what is recorded for all to see. And the up and comers on the undercards get paid much more than the newbies on ESPN for example. With the lack of competitive organizations, they pretty much monopolize the industry and get every and all the fighters they want, for the most part. And the fights that need to happen happen.

I am not saying this to bash boxing. And I don't believe...well, I would like to believe that the issues in boxing that damage the sport are reversible. Boxing is my first love and I really appreciate when people put out ideas to help improve the sport, like you have Jack. But as long as we have multiple organizations, the issues will continue.

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- Jack 1000   What Are Your Ideas For Cleaning Up Boxing?   Jan 11 2013, 02:47 PM
- - daprofessor   there needs to be some over sight on the judges. t...   Jan 11 2013, 03:11 PM
- - daprofessor   on a side note....aiba is seeking to be the world...   Jan 11 2013, 03:12 PM
- - Jovi   Boxing should be on more than once a week, sometim...   Jan 11 2013, 03:43 PM
|- - mikE11   QUOTE (Jovi @ Jan 11 2013, 02:43 PM) Boxi...   Jan 21 2013, 04:27 PM
- - Jack 1000   Ways to Clean Up Boxing (I provided a condensed v...   Jan 11 2013, 04:09 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Jan 11 2013, 04:09 PM)...   Jan 11 2013, 05:07 PM
- - mgrover   shooting bob arum is a start   Jan 11 2013, 06:47 PM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (mgrover @ Jan 11 2013, 06:47 PM) s...   Jan 14 2013, 02:48 PM
- - daprofessor   this oughta do the trick.   Jan 11 2013, 07:45 PM
- - Dolimite   UNION. Boxing needs a serious union. The union sho...   Jan 11 2013, 10:03 PM
- - Southeastpaw   As I have stated before, I really like your list J...   Jan 13 2013, 10:30 PM
- - Franchize   I think without a governing body and boxer's u...   Jan 14 2013, 12:21 PM
- - daprofessor   i think the whole comparison to ufc/mma needs to s...   Jan 16 2013, 01:38 PM
|- - Southeastpaw   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jan 16 2013, 01:38 P...   Jan 16 2013, 10:56 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jan 16 2013, 12:38 P...   Jan 17 2013, 02:28 AM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jan 17 2013, 03:28 AM)...   Jan 17 2013, 02:17 PM
- - Southeastpaw   Please don't get me wrong. I love boxing. It i...   Jan 17 2013, 08:10 AM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Southeastpaw @ Jan 17 2013, 09:10 ...   Jan 17 2013, 02:22 PM
|- - Jack 1000   QUOTE (Southeastpaw @ Jan 17 2013, 07:10 ...   Jan 17 2013, 04:14 PM
- - mrchitown   A monopoly is not good for any industry that's...   Jan 17 2013, 04:12 PM
- - mrchitown   QUOTE http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/page/U.....   Jan 17 2013, 04:27 PM
- - Southeastpaw   Boxing would keep their's a secret if the coul...   Jan 17 2013, 05:21 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Southeastpaw @ Jan 17 2013, 05:21 ...   Jan 17 2013, 06:27 PM
|- - Southeastpaw   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jan 17 2013, 06:27 P...   Jan 18 2013, 08:51 AM
- - Cheesey1   I don't pay attention to MMA and wasn't go...   Jan 18 2013, 01:40 AM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Cheesey1 @ Jan 18 2013, 01:40 AM) ...   Jan 18 2013, 02:13 AM
|- - Cheesey1   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jan 18 2013, 02:13 A...   Jan 18 2013, 10:33 AM
- - BrutUalBK   1. Make it a Sanctioned Sport like NBA, NFL and M...   Jan 18 2013, 09:14 AM
- - daprofessor   vision and sobriety tests for all judges.   Jan 18 2013, 02:21 PM
- - mrchitown   Nice vid, I like Fertitta better then Dana TBH. He...   Jan 18 2013, 08:49 PM
- - Jack 1000   With the recent controversial decisions in past fi...   Jan 21 2013, 12:05 PM
- - daprofessor   i think they should make judges wear head cams for...   Jan 21 2013, 02:02 PM
- - Jack 1000   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jan 21 2013, 01:02 P...   Jan 21 2013, 02:49 PM

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