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Jack 1000
post Jan 11 2013, 02:47 PM
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I will say,

I would like to see some sort of centralized boxing authority that has the ability to over-power the sanctioning bodies when they do something that is terribly unjust or wrong. Sort of like how the Association of Boxing Commission Rules in the United States and Canada superseded, or at least are supposed to supersede alphabet federation rules. But they don't go far enough. Texas for instance has violated ABC rules by experimenting with the WBC 4th and 8th round Open Scoring system in WBC fights. This is a violation of Unified Rules.

Arkansans tried the WBC Open Scoring Rule in the Taylor-Ouma fight, but it was considered to be experimental at the time. The ABC knew this and overwhelmingly Open Scoring was rejected by almost all US Commissions and the British Boxing Board of Control. It is the ABC that kept Open Scoring thankfully out of the United States and Canada.

However, the model of a centralized boxing commission does not go far enough. And its not just the stopping of any form of Open Scoring, which has, for the most part, been a dismal failure. Why Japan likes it so much, I'll never know. If a centralized and legal authority can overturn alphabet federation protocols that are deplorable, this system should be put in place.

On the other hand, if reasonable and just decisions are made by the sanctioning bodies for the interest of the fighters, this needs to be addressed as well. Not everything an alphabet group does is corrupt. The alphabet federations are much more respected outside of the United States than within. The WBC's insurance and pension program for fighters is a good thing. The "WBC Caress" work with children's hospitals and efforts toward helping kids and fighters with terminal illness is a great thing. I can also say that the WBC out of all of the sanctioning bodies, is the most receptive to communication and feedback. They are always very helpful and willing to answer any questions or feedback that I submit to them.

The WBA is OK for feedback, but they don't respond as in-depth as the WBC does. The WBO is also pretty good for feedback. Years ago, I had a major beef with Bob Lee and the IBF when I bashed Eugenia Williams scoring in the Holyfield-Lewis I fight and recieved quite an angry response where Mr. Lee defended her right down the line. However, we know of the controversy and scandel of Bob Lee's past. Their past president Hiwatha Knight is good, and Joe Dwyer out of New York who is an IBF rep is good as well. Daryl People's the current president I heard is good and reasonable.

If all of these organizations were total shit, than I don't think respected boxing people would go to the conventions as much as they do. Also to be taken into account, has to be that no one has been able to impliment a system for boxing for the past 50 years, that completely eliminates the alphabet federations from the system. If you go with the Teddy Atlas concept of a single national commission some questions need to be addressed:

1.) Under Teddy's Atlas' national commission proposal-who would run such a system? Who would oversee a system of checks and balances to oversee fairness and justice in the system, to prevent another boxing monopoly from taking place? Teddy never talks in detail about such a proposal as to who would run the commission.

2.) I agree that there are far too many belts. WBA Super Champion, an idea proposed by Lennox Lewis to prevent multiple title holders from having to do too many defenses too close together. There should be no Super Champion period. Just call the match a 12-round World Title Elimination Match.

3.) The WBC Diamond Belt-Has no sanctioning fees associated with it and is commemorative only. But it doesn't need to be. This belt goes to the winner of two special fighters who achieved strong boxing status through the years and fight outside their weight class in a bog match. But much like the WBA Superchampion there should not be any belt for title eliminationss.

Eliminate Champion in Recess or as the WBC calls it, champion in recess belts. IF THERE IS NO WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP ON THE LINE, THERE IS NO BELT GIVEN TO THE WINNER OF THE FIGHT. PERIOD.

4.) What all powers that be in boxing SHOULD be promoting is the elimination of TV and promotional monopolies with ANY FIGHTER! This is the type of bullshit that is just as bad as the sanctioning bodies when they do something bad.

BOXING NEEDS TO GO BACK TO THE DAYS OF WHEN THE NETWORK JUST SHOWED THE FIGHTS LIKE IN THE 50'S-70'S. THERE ARE NO TIE-INS TO ANY PROMOTER OR MATCHMAKER. YOU FIGHT FOR THE BEST DEAL THAT SHOWTIME OR HBO CAN GIVE YOU ON A FIGHT TO FIGHT BASIS, OR EVEN FREE OR STANDARD CABLE TV.

5.) Boxing should have a free open market where neither HBO or Showtime are contractually obligated to any fighter or promoter. You would see better fights that way and less politics in getting the best matches made. You go with the best deals for the best fights, no long-term promoter contract monopolist tie-ins. Showtime sort of understands this. HBO doesn't get it. Lamply wouldn't know who to pom-pom if this system went into effect.

6.) Round Robin Elimination tournaments with proposal #5 in effect. Lets see how the best champions of the world federations match up to each other to produce a single unified champion. Get the Association of Boxing Commissions support of this tournament. When the undisputed champion retires or is beaten, the Round Robin elimination tournament begins again. Currently, there are too many fighters who can win a world alphabet belt, without any incentive to unify.

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Southeastpaw
post Jan 17 2013, 08:10 AM
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Please don't get me wrong. I love boxing. It is my top love. But I get extremely aggrivated when the fights that need to happen do not happen. That is not an issue in the UFC. Some look at the UFC monopolizing the sport a bad thing. I don't see how. Too many organizations mean the best fighters of different organizations won't fight eachother.

Pay... The elite fighters in boxing do get paid more than the elite in MMA. However, how many is that. There is Manny and Floyd. Trust me, Anderson Silva is banking. They also get undisclosed amounts. There are fight of the night, sub of the night, and KO of the night bonuses as well. Also, a newcomer to the UFC who is on a facebook prelim is guaranteed to make more than a somewhat established fighter fighting on ESPN. The UFC speads the money out. Everyone gets some. There is an interview with Lorenzo Fertitta where he explains it in depth. It will open eyes.

If you prefer Belator to the UFC, then you don't exactly care about seeing elite fighters face eachother. I admit, I do like their tournament platform, but it undeniably takes a backseat to the UFC.

The UFC is in it's golden era at the moment. Once competing organizations start to rise and become successful, that is when the sport will start to faulter.

Manny and Floyd should have faced a couple years ago. That fight not happening is one of the biggest crimes in all of sports. If boxing had a model similar to the UFC, that fight would have been done and over with years ago. But fighters have their say on who they want to fight and for how much.

Showtime has already taken some pages out of the Zuffa book. They are putting prelims on Show Extreme and I have even seen some fight bonuses. I am not trying to get all UFC vs boxing. I am saying, try a model that works.

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post Jan 17 2013, 02:22 PM
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QUOTE (Southeastpaw @ Jan 17 2013, 09:10 AM) *
Please don't get me wrong. I love boxing. It is my top love. But I get extremely aggrivated when the fights that need to happen do not happen. That is not an issue in the UFC. Some look at the UFC monopolizing the sport a bad thing. I don't see how. Too many organizations mean the best fighters of different organizations won't fight eachother.

Pay... The elite fighters in boxing do get paid more than the elite in MMA. However, how many is that. There is Manny and Floyd. Trust me, Anderson Silva is banking. They also get undisclosed amounts. There are fight of the night, sub of the night, and KO of the night bonuses as well. Also, a newcomer to the UFC who is on a facebook prelim is guaranteed to make more than a somewhat established fighter fighting on ESPN. The UFC speads the money out. Everyone gets some. There is an interview with Lorenzo Fertitta where he explains it in depth. It will open eyes.

If you prefer Belator to the UFC, then you don't exactly care about seeing elite fighters face eachother. I admit, I do like their tournament platform, but it undeniably takes a backseat to the UFC.

The UFC is in it's golden era at the moment. Once competing organizations start to rise and become successful, that is when the sport will start to faulter.

Manny and Floyd should have faced a couple years ago. That fight not happening is one of the biggest crimes in all of sports. If boxing had a model similar to the UFC, that fight would have been done and over with years ago. But fighters have their say on who they want to fight and for how much.

Showtime has already taken some pages out of the Zuffa book. They are putting prelims on Show Extreme and I have even seen some fight bonuses. I am not trying to get all UFC vs boxing. I am saying, try a model that works.


i hear that argument and i do NOT agree with it at all.

u can point to mayweather/pac as the ultimate example...but boxing pits the best against the best more often than not. also...when u understand what it takes to build a fighter into a legitimate attraction, it becomes more business/entertainment than sport. each move has to be carefully calculated to get a return on the investment. when the 'best' fight the 'best' in mma...these guys typically have very few fights and years into the sport in comparison to their boxing counterparts....so there is waaaay more at stake in boxing. in mma...fighters are disposable. in boxing...not so much.

the bonuses that they are giving are what boxing used to do...they never stopped doing it in the amateurs. typically...they give trophies to fighter of the night, bout of the night...etc..etc... so what the ufc is doing is nothing new. what they have done is simply packaged a new sport and have been learning from the mistakes of boxing. will mma be as big as boxing world wide? that remains to be seen. at one point, only americans were playing baseball and basketball...now, it's a world wide thing. ufc, being the small organized company it is...is growing and realizing that they have to kill or eat up their competition before it has a chance to grow. fertitta came into this with money to burn and has made some great things happen for his organization. it's a different/new sport...and has absolutely nothing to do with boxing. they've made their name off of shitting on boxing for years. most websites have helped them grow by covering their sport and letting them piggy back off of boxing simply because they are a combat sport. i watched very early on...and have tried to be a fan. it just doesn't appeal to me. fertitta himself views boxing as the enemy because he feels they are targeting the same demographic. i guess that's why it's always been the companies position to shit on boxing verbally. in the end, i believe both sports will co-exist. do i believe boxing can learn from mma? they can re-learn some of what they used to do when it was a smaller sport....but there are far too many participants/promoters/sanctioning bodies world wide that are very established to tear boxing down and start all over. if mma is going to have competition...i don't believe it will come from the u.s. competition is what spurs innovation. anyone remember the race to the moon? without any real competition on the horizon, i can see the ufc fizzling over the years. i don't anyone that gets excited to see two grown men roll on a mat trying to choke each other out. oranges and apples.

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- Jack 1000   What Are Your Ideas For Cleaning Up Boxing?   Jan 11 2013, 02:47 PM
- - daprofessor   there needs to be some over sight on the judges. t...   Jan 11 2013, 03:11 PM
- - daprofessor   on a side note....aiba is seeking to be the world...   Jan 11 2013, 03:12 PM
- - Jovi   Boxing should be on more than once a week, sometim...   Jan 11 2013, 03:43 PM
|- - mikE11   QUOTE (Jovi @ Jan 11 2013, 02:43 PM) Boxi...   Jan 21 2013, 04:27 PM
- - Jack 1000   Ways to Clean Up Boxing (I provided a condensed v...   Jan 11 2013, 04:09 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Jan 11 2013, 04:09 PM)...   Jan 11 2013, 05:07 PM
- - mgrover   shooting bob arum is a start   Jan 11 2013, 06:47 PM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (mgrover @ Jan 11 2013, 06:47 PM) s...   Jan 14 2013, 02:48 PM
- - daprofessor   this oughta do the trick.   Jan 11 2013, 07:45 PM
- - Dolimite   UNION. Boxing needs a serious union. The union sho...   Jan 11 2013, 10:03 PM
- - Southeastpaw   As I have stated before, I really like your list J...   Jan 13 2013, 10:30 PM
- - Franchize   I think without a governing body and boxer's u...   Jan 14 2013, 12:21 PM
- - daprofessor   i think the whole comparison to ufc/mma needs to s...   Jan 16 2013, 01:38 PM
|- - Southeastpaw   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jan 16 2013, 01:38 P...   Jan 16 2013, 10:56 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jan 16 2013, 12:38 P...   Jan 17 2013, 02:28 AM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jan 17 2013, 03:28 AM)...   Jan 17 2013, 02:17 PM
- - Southeastpaw   Please don't get me wrong. I love boxing. It i...   Jan 17 2013, 08:10 AM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Southeastpaw @ Jan 17 2013, 09:10 ...   Jan 17 2013, 02:22 PM
|- - Jack 1000   QUOTE (Southeastpaw @ Jan 17 2013, 07:10 ...   Jan 17 2013, 04:14 PM
- - mrchitown   A monopoly is not good for any industry that's...   Jan 17 2013, 04:12 PM
- - mrchitown   QUOTE http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/page/U.....   Jan 17 2013, 04:27 PM
- - Southeastpaw   Boxing would keep their's a secret if the coul...   Jan 17 2013, 05:21 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Southeastpaw @ Jan 17 2013, 05:21 ...   Jan 17 2013, 06:27 PM
|- - Southeastpaw   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jan 17 2013, 06:27 P...   Jan 18 2013, 08:51 AM
- - Cheesey1   I don't pay attention to MMA and wasn't go...   Jan 18 2013, 01:40 AM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Cheesey1 @ Jan 18 2013, 01:40 AM) ...   Jan 18 2013, 02:13 AM
|- - Cheesey1   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jan 18 2013, 02:13 A...   Jan 18 2013, 10:33 AM
- - BrutUalBK   1. Make it a Sanctioned Sport like NBA, NFL and M...   Jan 18 2013, 09:14 AM
- - daprofessor   vision and sobriety tests for all judges.   Jan 18 2013, 02:21 PM
- - mrchitown   Nice vid, I like Fertitta better then Dana TBH. He...   Jan 18 2013, 08:49 PM
- - Jack 1000   With the recent controversial decisions in past fi...   Jan 21 2013, 12:05 PM
- - daprofessor   i think they should make judges wear head cams for...   Jan 21 2013, 02:02 PM
- - Jack 1000   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jan 21 2013, 01:02 P...   Jan 21 2013, 02:49 PM


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