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[mitukczuk]

He just posted it on his Facebook page saying him fighting Roberto is just a rumor....thank god, I have been waiting for some words from him for the longest! I am never paying any attention to who is he going to fight unless he himself announces it.

However I believe we will know the name soon as January closes down and if he is to fight on May 4th, his training camp and promotion should commence at the end of February or maybe even sooner. I think I'll be as surprised as when he announced hes fighting Ortiz. Didn't see that one coming!

Can you think of any other unlikely names that could end up in the mix?

This post has been edited by Jack 1000: Feb 7 2013, 01:02 PM

[Cshel86]

Just curious... Why are people so quick to defend a guy who hasnt delivered the goods we would like. Do you defend the mailman when he doesnt bring you all of your mail. "You know, well it was raining and the ground was muddy. He just delivered a few of my letters. He couldnt deliver all of them, especially my paycheck." Same thing with Mayweather. Let me ask, did you want to see him fight Marquez or Margarito? Marquez or Williams? As a fight fan, I wanted Williams or Margarito. When both were coming off big wins, he retired. He came back conveniently when the air was clear. He came back to fight the best 135 pounder in the world at the time. Thats undeniable history. thats exactly what happened.

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I love the delivery analogy. I never thought the Margarito fight would happen anyway. Margarito's a piece of shit and he was TR, and in all honesty, that fight would NOT have been a walk in the park for Floyd. NOW, I would loved to have seen him fight Williams, I think that would've kept a lot of critics silent...of course he would've had to take that fight before Paul lost to Quintana.

Again, in my opinion, he could've bypassed the Margarito fight for all I care (because of contractual issues), but that Williams fight should've happened.

So you are defining his career based on two fights that you wanted to see. I would not want to see Mayweather fight a slow ass Margarito who has no defense. A typical brawler, boring, counter shots all night. Margarito is a fucking cheater and he beat a Cotto with loaded gloves. Do you honestly think Margarito with Mayweather's defense had a shot? Bert Sugar and he may not know a damn thing about boxing, stated that his fight with Marquez would give Mayweather fits, and it was Marquez who called out Mayweather. He fought the number 2 guy what more would you want? Paul Williams is just tall with an incredible tolerance for punishment. That fight would of ended with a body shot. Again Mayweather said that he was going to retire after the Hatton fight I don't think he was afraid of either Paul or Margarito and let's be honest, both guys were not household names, so even if he did stay in the game do you honestly think he would of fought them? I don't understand how you say he doesn't fight hard competition based on two fighters! Come on.

Again Mayweather will not be fighting either, Trout, Alvarez or Martinez since Trout and Alvarez are suppose to be fighting each other and Sergio already has a fight coming up. Speaking of the red head what the hell has he done to warrant a fight with Mayweather? He hasn't fought a legit 154 fighter and yet you are barking at mayweather for his "dodging?" Really? And Trout, he did beat Cotto and now you think he deserves a fight with Mayweather. Mayweather had to go through three or four fighters just to get to Oscar and Trout beats Cotto and all of the sudden he is proven? Okay...

By the way Mayweather isn't close to being 154 he is a welter weight. So if he ask Trout or Alvarez to come down to welter weight would you call him a coward?

Man c'mon D, you usually make some good points, but you cant defend Floyd's every move. He has inconsistencies in his career/word/etc, just as every fighter does. Marquez was the #2 guy...at 135. I cant give Floyd much credit for that fight, and it actually hurts me to go back and watch it. I like how he put the spin on it and basically said that he beat the guy that beat Pacquiao.

A classic example of people holding on to Floyd's every word...before he came back and got ready to fight Marquez, people either didn't care who really won the first to Pac/JMM fights, or they were cool with the controversy. As soon as Floyd cracked his mouth open about JMM actually beating Manny twice, people immediately came out the wood work and agreed. Suddenly, guys became scoring experts and boxing gurus. Again, before Floyd said that, we hardly heard a peep about the results of the first 2 fights.

Floyd actually said that he was going to retire after the DLH fight, but then the Hatton fight was made. Let's be honest, we can't even use the whole "(insert potential opponent's name) wasn't a household name", because Floyd wasn't even that damn famous after the DLH and Hatton fights. Dude retired and people weren't really checking for him like that...well, casual fans weren't.

It was ALL about Pacquiao, after the Oscar fight. THEN Floyd came back, and people were begging for the Pacquiao fight, which made Floyd a bigger name. So a Williams fight wasn't such a bad idea in 2008, but again, Floyd retired after the Hatton fight. Even if Floyd stayed in the game, he would've been FORCED to take a challenging fight. He couldn't go on that Berto trail of facing no-hopers for big paydays, that idea died after he did those numbers with DLH.

I believe that Trout deserves a Mayweather fight, why not? I agree that Trout hasn't done much as far as opponents are concerned, but compared to Canelo's flimsy resume full of over the hill, blown up WWs and small WWs, Trout has done a country mile more, by beating Cotto. Canelo just has a name and good team, period.

It's funny how guys say that Floyd would "easily" beat Trout, Canelo, K-9, whoever...but yet, when they're cornered, they're quick to say that Floyd isn't a true 154 lber. Which one is it? Again, some of you guys run yourself into the dirt (Tasmanian style) when it comes to making excuses for Floyd.

[Dolimite]

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I love the delivery analogy. I never thought the Margarito fight would happen anyway. Margarito's a piece of shit and he was TR, and in all honesty, that fight would NOT have been a walk in the park for Floyd. NOW, I would loved to have seen him fight Williams, I think that would've kept a lot of critics silent...of course he would've had to take that fight before Paul lost to Quintana.

Again, in my opinion, he could've bypassed the Margarito fight for all I care (because of contractual issues), but that Williams fight should've happened.


Man c'mon D, you usually make some good points, but you cant defend Floyd's every move. He has inconsistencies in his career/word/etc, just as every fighter does. Marquez was the #2 guy...at 135. I cant give Floyd much credit for that fight, and it actually hurts me to go back and watch it. I like how he put the spin on it and basically said that he beat the guy that beat Pacquiao.

A classic example of people holding on to Floyd's every word...before he came back and got ready to fight Marquez, people either didn't care who really won the first to Pac/JMM fights, or they were cool with the controversy. As soon as Floyd cracked his mouth open about JMM actually beating Manny twice, people immediately came out the wood work and agreed. Suddenly, guys became scoring experts and boxing gurus. Again, before Floyd said that, we hardly heard a peep about the results of the first 2 fights.

Floyd actually said that he was going to retire after the DLH fight, but then the Hatton fight was made. Let's be honest, we can't even use the whole "(insert potential opponent's name) wasn't a household name", because Floyd wasn't even that damn famous after the DLH and Hatton fights. Dude retired and people weren't really checking for him like that...well, casual fans weren't.

It was ALL about Pacquiao, after the Oscar fight. THEN Floyd came back, and people were begging for the Pacquiao fight, which made Floyd a bigger name. So a Williams fight wasn't such a bad idea in 2008, but again, Floyd retired after the Hatton fight. Even if Floyd stayed in the game, he would've been FORCED to take a challenging fight. He couldn't go on that Berto trail of facing no-hopers for big paydays, that idea died after he did those numbers with DLH.

I believe that Trout deserves a Mayweather fight, why not? I agree that Trout hasn't done much as far as opponents are concerned, but compared to Canelo's flimsy resume full of over the hill, blown up WWs and small WWs, Trout has done a country mile more, by beating Cotto. Canelo just has a name and good team, period.

It's funny how guys say that Floyd would "easily" beat Trout, Canelo, K-9, whoever...but yet, when they're cornered, they're quick to say that Floyd isn't a true 154 lber. Which one is it? Again, some of you guys run yourself into the dirt (Tasmanian style) when it comes to making excuses for Floyd.

Welcome back! Your lady must of had you tied down (lol), I ain't mad at that! I feel your point and I am not protecting Floyd by any means. All I am saying is when people say he should of fought Margarito and Paul Williams I don't understand why. Margs was a no name and Paul Williams was getting his name out there. As boxing fans if Floyd would have taken these two fights would we really be overjoyed or saying, why the hell is he fighting these two men? Plus Paul Williams is 154 plus fighter, Floyd can barely make 151 let alone 154. You are saying why should Floyd fight an overhyped Alvarez and not a Trout who has proven himself against a viable contender in Cotto? I agree Saul should actually fight people his own weight and size, but he is popular and sometimes popularity let's you get away with bloody murder (Ray Lewis?). I think Trout would be a hard match up but would Trout bring in the money that Mayweather wants? Now if Red Head fights Trout and loses (fingers crossed) then yes Mayweather should indeed fight Trout. K-9 is a boring fighter and I hope Smith nails him but I would say this in regards to Floyd, if he is holding that 154 belt then he should fight 154 fighters with 0 excuses. But if he holds a 147 belt then he should fight his mandatory even though I do not want to see the shit. Fair is fair. If the guy earned it then he deserves a shot.

[daprofessor]

Welcome back! Your lady must of had you tied down (lol), I ain't mad at that! I feel your point and I am not protecting Floyd by any means. All I am saying is when people say he should of fought Margarito and Paul Williams I don't understand why. Margs was a no name and Paul Williams was getting his name out there. As boxing fans if Floyd would have taken these two fights would we really be overjoyed or saying, why the hell is he fighting these two men? Plus Paul Williams is 154 plus fighter, Floyd can barely make 151 let alone 154. You are saying why should Floyd fight an overhyped Alvarez and not a Trout who has proven himself against a viable contender in Cotto? I agree Saul should actually fight people his own weight and size, but he is popular and sometimes popularity let's you get away with bloody murder (Ray Lewis?). I think Trout would be a hard match up but would Trout bring in the money that Mayweather wants? Now if Red Head fights Trout and loses (fingers crossed) then yes Mayweather should indeed fight Trout. K-9 is a boring fighter and I hope Smith nails him but I would say this in regards to Floyd, if he is holding that 154 belt then he should fight 154 fighters with 0 excuses. But if he holds a 147 belt then he should fight his mandatory even though I do not want to see the shit. Fair is fair. If the guy earned it then he deserves a shot.

margarito had and defended his title more than the other belt holders at that time. no one wanted to fight him. williams was the one that was more than willing and he beat him convincingly. floyd never mentioned his name. cotto mentioned williams name and said he was more deserving of a shot at his belt than margarito...but we all know bob wouldn't allow that. williams had to take margarito to court to get his shot. that would have been the perfect time for floyd to fight williams. instead he sat back and let all these guys fight each other. we all know what happened after that. on the weight issue... williams was as low as 143 when he fought as a welter. he was 145 when he fought margarito. weight shouldn't have been an issue.

[Dolimite]

margarito had and defended his title more than the other belt holders at that time. no one wanted to fight him. williams was the one that was more than willing and he beat him convincingly. floyd never mentioned his name. cotto mentioned williams name and said he was more deserving of a shot at his belt than margarito...but we all know bob wouldn't allow that. williams had to take margarito to court to get his shot. that would have been the perfect time for floyd to fight williams. instead he sat back and let all these guys fight each other. we all know what happened after that. on the weight issue... williams was as low as 143 when he fought as a welter. he was 145 when he fought margarito. weight shouldn't have been an issue.

Margarito to the casual fan and non fan unknown. Boxing fans knew he was I actually didn't know Margs until I saw him fight Cotto and I was like damn, damn! Paul Williams I am not going to lie, I watched him fight Sergio and I think that might had been the second time I saw him fight. He robbed a guy in his comeback fight and then the accident. I will go back and look at both fighters and look at their careers. Again Margs is a slow welter weight and Paul takes so much punishment. I will do my homework on both fighters tonight. Thanks for the insight Professor.

[daprofessor]

Margarito to the casual fan and non fan unknown. Boxing fans knew he was I actually didn't know Margs until I saw him fight Cotto and I was like damn, damn! Paul Williams I am not going to lie, I watched him fight Sergio and I think that might had been the second time I saw him fight. He robbed a guy in his comeback fight and then the accident. I will go back and look at both fighters and look at their careers. Again Margs is a slow welter weight and Paul takes so much punishment. I will do my homework on both fighters tonight. Thanks for the insight Professor.

there's a lot of history to catch up on. margarito was beating the dog shit out of a lot of ppl and had been a sparring partner for dlh. dlh didn't want any parts of margarito. i forget the guys name...but he ripped his ear off with a punch in a fight. he was a beast. williams fights with martinez was the beginning of the end. i thought he won the first fight with martinez. martinez even admitted he thought he lost...there was just one judge that had a score that was waaaay off....but they got the right winner. martinez left no doubt in the rematch. prior to martinez....williams was on a tirade himself and pretty much ran out of opponents willing to face him which is why he ended up fighting martinez again. margarito, williams and martinez were all avoided by plenty of fighters...they all blazed trails...martinez blazed the most significant trail of the 3.