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> "If it wasn't for me the game would be dead" - Muhammad Ali, A few questions on the G.O.A.T.
Gambit808
post Feb 1 2013, 06:53 PM
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Take away everything accomplished by the G.O.A.T. and what do we have with boxing today?

Who do you feel is Greater than the Greatest?

Some people (like me) would still argue that if it weren't for the layoff, a more primed Ali would've given Frazier all that he could handle in the first fight, agreed?

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daprofessor
post Feb 1 2013, 07:30 PM
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ali was maradona, pele, babe ruth, joe montana, roger staubach, reggie jackson, jim brown, michael jordan, larry bird, magic johnson and every other athlete rolled into one. he transcended the sport like no one before or since. he's a one of a kind who was not only larger than boxing...he was larger than life. he did indeed pump life into boxing. there will never be another like him.
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post Feb 2 2013, 07:22 PM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Feb 1 2013, 07:30 PM) *
ali was maradona, pele, babe ruth, joe montana, roger staubach, reggie jackson, jim brown, michael jordan, larry bird, magic johnson and every other athlete rolled into one. he transcended the sport like no one before or since. he's a one of a kind who was not only larger than boxing...he was larger than life. he did indeed pump life into boxing. there will never be another like him.


Ali getting waylaid by the system in his prime, definitely affected him. As an overall boxing product (in and outside of the ring), I'm fine with him being considered the greatest. Inside the ring, the debates can go on forever.

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post Feb 3 2013, 05:22 AM
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QUOTE (Cheesey1 @ Feb 2 2013, 08:22 PM) *
Ali getting waylaid by the system in his prime, definitely affected him. As an overall boxing product (in and outside of the ring), I'm fine with him being considered the greatest. Inside the ring, the debates can go on forever.


+1.

Plus, he was such a good role model of an upright family man, with no marriage vices that I know about. I don't remember whether his conversion to Islam had an influence on him in that respect, or if he was naturally so.

Ali neither learnt nor knew/know how to read, yet he was very sharp of intellect with regards to politics, religion, and popular science; he bested his interviewers greater than 90% of the time in my estimation, and voiced the most catchy and memorable poems and prose ever by any sportsman, dead or alive.

"I float like a butterfly,
Sting like a bee."

"....telling all the people out there
Who're betting on Sonny
That I'm gonna lose their money."

"It's gonna be
A thriller,
And a chiller,
When I meet the Gorilla,
In Manila."

"I predict that tonight [vs Liston, 1] somebody will die at ringside from shock!"

Overall, Ali made it such a thrilling era.

Were it not for his brushes with the then law and establishment, there would never have been any controversy or disagreement over Ali's uniqueness or greatness. But then, there would not have been the complete package, "Ali."

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post Feb 3 2013, 11:34 PM
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QUOTE (duwdu @ Feb 3 2013, 05:22 AM) *
+1.

Plus, he was such a good role model of an upright family man, with no marriage vices that I know about. I don't remember whether his conversion to Islam had an influence on him in that respect, or if he was naturally so.

Ali neither learnt nor knew/know how to read, yet he was very sharp of intellect with regards to politics, religion, and popular science; he bested his interviewers greater than 90% of the time in my estimation, and voiced the most catchy and memorable poems and prose ever by any sportsman, dead or alive.

"I float like a butterfly,
Sting like a bee."

"....telling all the people out there
Who're betting on Sonny
That I'm gonna lose their money."

"It's gonna be
A thriller,
And a chiller,
When I meet the Gorilla,
In Manila."

"I predict that tonight [vs Liston, 1] somebody will die at ringside from shock!"

Overall, Ali made it such a thrilling era.

Were it not for his brushes with the then law and establishment, there would never have been any controversy or disagreement over Ali's uniqueness or greatness. But then, there would not have been the complete package, "Ali."

P34c3

Supposedly the complications from Parkinson's are really affecting him now. His brother just said that he might only have months, or possibly even days left. Hopefully not.
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- Gambit808   "If it wasn't for me the game would be dead" - Muhammad Ali   Feb 1 2013, 06:53 PM
- - mgrover   Can't comment on something I don't know mu...   Feb 1 2013, 07:10 PM
|- - Gambit808   QUOTE (mgrover @ Feb 1 2013, 07:10 PM) Ca...   Feb 1 2013, 07:19 PM
|- - mgrover   QUOTE (Gambit808 @ Feb 2 2013, 12:19 AM) ...   Feb 1 2013, 07:58 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (mgrover @ Feb 1 2013, 07:58 PM) Th...   Feb 1 2013, 09:04 PM
|- - Gambit808   QUOTE (mgrover @ Feb 1 2013, 07:58 PM) Th...   Feb 1 2013, 09:59 PM
- - daprofessor   ali was maradona, pele, babe ruth, joe montana, ro...   Feb 1 2013, 07:30 PM
|- - Cheesey1   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Feb 1 2013, 07:30 PM...   Feb 2 2013, 07:22 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Cheesey1 @ Feb 2 2013, 07:22 PM) A...   Feb 3 2013, 03:43 AM
||- - Cheesey1   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Feb 3 2013, 03:43 AM...   Feb 3 2013, 11:32 PM
||- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Cheesey1 @ Feb 4 2013, 12:32 AM) T...   Feb 4 2013, 03:16 PM
||- - Cheesey1   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Feb 4 2013, 03:16 PM...   Feb 5 2013, 10:22 AM
|- - duwdu   QUOTE (Cheesey1 @ Feb 2 2013, 08:22 PM) A...   Feb 3 2013, 05:22 AM
|- - Cheesey1   QUOTE (duwdu @ Feb 3 2013, 05:22 AM) +1. ...   Feb 3 2013, 11:34 PM
- - mrchitown   Though I wasn't yet born in his era of fightin...   Feb 2 2013, 12:16 AM
|- - Gambit808   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Feb 2 2013, 12:16 AM) ...   Feb 2 2013, 09:39 PM
- - BrutUalBK   Without a doubt he was the greatest in the sense o...   Feb 2 2013, 07:02 PM
|- - Gambit808   QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Feb 2 2013, 07:02 PM) ...   Feb 2 2013, 09:38 PM
||- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (Gambit808 @ Feb 2 2013, 09:38 PM) ...   Feb 4 2013, 12:03 PM
||- - Gambit808   QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Feb 4 2013, 12:03 PM) ...   Feb 4 2013, 01:39 PM
||- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (Gambit808 @ Feb 4 2013, 01:39 PM) ...   Feb 4 2013, 04:07 PM
|- - duwdu   QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Feb 2 2013, 08:02 PM) ...   Feb 3 2013, 04:27 AM
- - wolterb   I'm always drawn to fighters that either stand...   Feb 2 2013, 11:08 PM
- - wolterb   Ali brought character and knew how to incite an au...   Feb 2 2013, 11:13 PM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Feb 2 2013, 01:16 AM) ...   Feb 3 2013, 12:23 AM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (checkleft @ Feb 2 2013, 11:23 PM) ...   Feb 5 2013, 03:06 PM
- - wolterb   ^No reason to get into details but I don't thi...   Feb 3 2013, 12:01 PM
|- - duwdu   QUOTE (wolterb @ Feb 3 2013, 01:01 PM) ^N...   Feb 3 2013, 05:35 PM
- - wolterb   I should've said "completely accurate...   Feb 3 2013, 07:03 PM
- - mgrover   slip the left hook? I thought it was roll the hook...   Feb 4 2013, 04:45 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (mgrover @ Feb 4 2013, 05:45 PM) sl...   Feb 4 2013, 07:50 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (mgrover @ Feb 4 2013, 03:45 PM) sl...   Feb 4 2013, 09:51 PM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Feb 4 2013, 04:16 PM...   Feb 5 2013, 02:55 PM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Feb 5 2013, 04:06 PM) ...   Feb 6 2013, 12:26 AM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (checkleft @ Feb 5 2013, 11:26 PM) ...   Feb 6 2013, 03:51 PM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Feb 6 2013, 04:51 PM) ...   Feb 6 2013, 04:36 PM
- - Dolimite   Can argue what he says. He really invented a Holly...   Feb 6 2013, 05:38 PM
- - BrutUalBK   The main thing that set Ali apart from those of hi...   Feb 6 2013, 07:52 PM


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