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> "If it wasn't for me the game would be dead" - Muhammad Ali, A few questions on the G.O.A.T.
Gambit808
post Feb 1 2013, 06:53 PM
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Take away everything accomplished by the G.O.A.T. and what do we have with boxing today?

Who do you feel is Greater than the Greatest?

Some people (like me) would still argue that if it weren't for the layoff, a more primed Ali would've given Frazier all that he could handle in the first fight, agreed?

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post Feb 2 2013, 07:02 PM
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Without a doubt he was the greatest in the sense of promoting the sport to the level that the world wanted him to succeed in his fight against the U.S> Govt standing up as a Humanitarian and making a very bold statement during an era where racism was still a part of the norm/outright and condoned by law when he said "Ain't no Vietnamese ever called me nigg_"!

As far as his skills, I wouldn't say he was the greatest, he had his flaws but his underrated physical toughness and ability to take any shot and not be KO'd was second to none, even the big punching George Foreman couldn't stand up to Muhammad's punches but yet Ali was able to take everything the hardest puncher in boxing had thrown and still put him to sleep.

Ali did transcend the sport with his popularity and make it the most popular sport in the world because of his stance against the system of oppression that was not only recognized in America but for those who were impoverished world-wide.

Yes, he was/is the Greatest in that sense this sport has ever known.
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post Feb 2 2013, 09:38 PM
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QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Feb 2 2013, 07:02 PM) *
Without a doubt he was the greatest in the sense of promoting the sport to the level that the world wanted him to succeed in his fight against the U.S> Govt standing up as a Humanitarian and making a very bold statement during an era where racism was still a part of the norm/outright and condoned by law when he said "Ain't no Vietnamese ever called me nigg_"!

As far as his skills, I wouldn't say he was the greatest, he had his flaws but his underrated physical toughness and ability to take any shot and not be KO'd was second to none, even the big punching George Foreman couldn't stand up to Muhammad's punches but yet Ali was able to take everything the hardest puncher in boxing had thrown and still put him to sleep.

Ali did transcend the sport with his popularity and make it the most popular sport in the world because of his stance against the system of oppression that was not only recognized in America but for those who were impoverished world-wide.

Yes, he was/is the Greatest in that sense this sport has ever known.

Good Post.

In terms of all around skill, who would you say ranks better?
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post Feb 4 2013, 12:03 PM
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QUOTE (Gambit808 @ Feb 2 2013, 09:38 PM) *
Good Post.

In terms of all around skill, who would you say ranks better?



1. Mayweather
2. Leonard
3. Robinson
4. Hopkins
5. Whitaker
6. Pep

There weren't very many but these guys on my list were better at combining defense and offense together, Ali for all his declared greatness had many flaws in his game; his defense though effective was hardly on the level of those mentioned above and his footwork (though fast) was flawed when he had to counter backwards wasn't always correct(sometimes his feet came together making him off-balance), there were other things like no shoulder roll, he didn't ever cage when trapped against the ropes and he kept his left hand very low and pulled straight back when left hooks came at him (the reason why Frazier knocked him down in their 1st bout).

I love Ali though, he was a true warrior, he fought everybody and never dodged, ducked or made any excuses not to fight anyone, he took it as great as he gave it and he never got into the kind of skirmishes with the law that these modern day fighters seem to get into so in that sense he was a model citizen as well.
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post Feb 4 2013, 01:39 PM
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QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Feb 4 2013, 12:03 PM) *
1. Mayweather
2. Leonard
3. Robinson
4. Hopkins
5. Whitaker
6. Pep

There weren't very many but these guys on my list were better at combining defense and offense together, Ali for all his declared greatness had many flaws in his game; his defense though effective was hardly on the level of those mentioned above and his footwork (though fast) was flawed when he had to counter backwards wasn't always correct(sometimes his feet came together making him off-balance), there were other things like no shoulder roll, he didn't ever cage when trapped against the ropes and he kept his left hand very low and pulled straight back when left hooks came at him (the reason why Frazier knocked him down in their 1st bout).

I love Ali though, he was a true warrior, he fought everybody and never dodged, ducked or made any excuses not to fight anyone, he took it as great as he gave it and he never got into the kind of skirmishes with the law that these modern day fighters seem to get into so in that sense he was a model citizen as well.

Good List that is hard to argue.

When you speak on his foot work though, wouldn't you say that a more primed Ali would slip those left hook from Joe, had Ali not be 2 fights into a 3 year layoff? I mean of coarse I wasent even alive during this era so I use some of my spare time studying some of the greats, and I remember how Cus put it when watching Ali Spar. He was talking with Angelo and he said something along the line of, "Ali use to use one step to get out of the way of shots, where as in the Ali they were watching, would use two steps"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scnk9-xHRMA

Ali like Roy Jones used his athleticism to conquer in his prime and after the layoff, I believe, not only effected that, but also his timing of coarse.
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- Gambit808   "If it wasn't for me the game would be dead" - Muhammad Ali   Feb 1 2013, 06:53 PM
- - mgrover   Can't comment on something I don't know mu...   Feb 1 2013, 07:10 PM
|- - Gambit808   QUOTE (mgrover @ Feb 1 2013, 07:10 PM) Ca...   Feb 1 2013, 07:19 PM
|- - mgrover   QUOTE (Gambit808 @ Feb 2 2013, 12:19 AM) ...   Feb 1 2013, 07:58 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (mgrover @ Feb 1 2013, 07:58 PM) Th...   Feb 1 2013, 09:04 PM
|- - Gambit808   QUOTE (mgrover @ Feb 1 2013, 07:58 PM) Th...   Feb 1 2013, 09:59 PM
- - daprofessor   ali was maradona, pele, babe ruth, joe montana, ro...   Feb 1 2013, 07:30 PM
|- - Cheesey1   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Feb 1 2013, 07:30 PM...   Feb 2 2013, 07:22 PM
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|- - Cheesey1   QUOTE (duwdu @ Feb 3 2013, 05:22 AM) +1. ...   Feb 3 2013, 11:34 PM
- - mrchitown   Though I wasn't yet born in his era of fightin...   Feb 2 2013, 12:16 AM
|- - Gambit808   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Feb 2 2013, 12:16 AM) ...   Feb 2 2013, 09:39 PM
- - BrutUalBK   Without a doubt he was the greatest in the sense o...   Feb 2 2013, 07:02 PM
|- - Gambit808   QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Feb 2 2013, 07:02 PM) ...   Feb 2 2013, 09:38 PM
||- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (Gambit808 @ Feb 2 2013, 09:38 PM) ...   Feb 4 2013, 12:03 PM
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|- - duwdu   QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Feb 2 2013, 08:02 PM) ...   Feb 3 2013, 04:27 AM
- - wolterb   I'm always drawn to fighters that either stand...   Feb 2 2013, 11:08 PM
- - wolterb   Ali brought character and knew how to incite an au...   Feb 2 2013, 11:13 PM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Feb 2 2013, 01:16 AM) ...   Feb 3 2013, 12:23 AM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (checkleft @ Feb 2 2013, 11:23 PM) ...   Feb 5 2013, 03:06 PM
- - wolterb   ^No reason to get into details but I don't thi...   Feb 3 2013, 12:01 PM
|- - duwdu   QUOTE (wolterb @ Feb 3 2013, 01:01 PM) ^N...   Feb 3 2013, 05:35 PM
- - wolterb   I should've said "completely accurate...   Feb 3 2013, 07:03 PM
- - mgrover   slip the left hook? I thought it was roll the hook...   Feb 4 2013, 04:45 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (mgrover @ Feb 4 2013, 05:45 PM) sl...   Feb 4 2013, 07:50 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (mgrover @ Feb 4 2013, 03:45 PM) sl...   Feb 4 2013, 09:51 PM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Feb 4 2013, 04:16 PM...   Feb 5 2013, 02:55 PM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Feb 5 2013, 04:06 PM) ...   Feb 6 2013, 12:26 AM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (checkleft @ Feb 5 2013, 11:26 PM) ...   Feb 6 2013, 03:51 PM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Feb 6 2013, 04:51 PM) ...   Feb 6 2013, 04:36 PM
- - Dolimite   Can argue what he says. He really invented a Holly...   Feb 6 2013, 05:38 PM
- - BrutUalBK   The main thing that set Ali apart from those of hi...   Feb 6 2013, 07:52 PM


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