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Marcus
post Feb 9 2013, 05:42 PM
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As we all know by now, Floyd Vs. Guerrero fell through because Robert has his head way too far up his own ass to accept the 2.5 Million that Floyd is offering him and he wants 4 million.

First off, these are my 3 reasons why Robert doesn't deserve a 4 million dollar payday:

1) Thats Half of Cotto's guaranteed purse when Cotto fought Mayweather. Guerrero hasn't accomplished half of what Cotto has accomplished in the sport, he doesn't have half the fans that Cotto has, and he hasn't made Half the impact on boxing that Cotto has made in the past 10 years. Cotto is a legend and between himself and Marquez he's arguably the 3rd biggest draw in boxing.
2) Victor Ortiz was more than happy to accept that 2.5 million and the Caliber of fighters that Ortiz fought from 140-147 preceding his Mayweather bout was more impressive and extensive than that of Guerrero's. I also think Victor Ortiz's fanbase is greater than Guerrero's although they are pretty similar.
3) Guerrero doesn't even have a belt to bring to the table. He is not a world champion at 147. He brings NOTHING to the table for Floyd. There is no reward fighting this guy. Just another payday but he will do nothing for Floyd's legacy. At LEAST with the possibility of Mayweather-Alexander floyd would have an extra belt to add to his collection. But Guerrero is an interim titlist that JUST began making noise with his move to 147.

There aren't many viable oppenents for Floyd at this point and he's in a position in which he just might have to take the most challenging fight out there...

Top 5 WW(besides Floyd himself):
1. Marquez: (Marquez does not want to fight Floyd)
2. Pacquaio: (Floyd won't fight Pacquaio. He only fights those coming off of big wins. Pacquiao just had a devstatsting loss.)
3. Bradley: (Fighting in March. Won't be available for a May bout. Top Rank will mess up negotiations.)
4. Alexander: (Fighting Kell Brook in May)
5. Guerrero: Wants 4 million dollars that he is NOT worth. Unless he accepts that 2.5 Floyd won't budge.

Top 5 JMW(Besides Floyd himself):
1. Austin Trout: AVAILABLE NO opponent. Ready to go. Just beat Cotto. Trout called Floyd out 1-2 weeks ago on BET. Undefeated GBP/Haymon fighter in his PRIME.
2. Canelo Alvarez: His appointment with Floyd is in September. Makes no sense to fight him now when Floyd could keep optimizing revenue with Canelo on the undercard.
3/4. Erislandy Lara/Vanes Martirosyan: They're due for a rematch with each other, and they don't have strong fanbases.
5. Miguel Cotto: (Floyd won't fight Cotto again. He only fights those coming off of big wins. Cotto just had 2 losses in a row.)

Top MW:
Sergio Martinez is due to fight Martin Murray in April. Won't have enough time to train for a Mayweather fight.

Mayweather-Matthysee? Highly unlikely. And all other top 5 140 pounders are scheduled for a fight already. If Bundrage beats Smith then MAYBE floyd would fight him but its hard to see that happening. And if Smith beats Bundrage Floyd won't fight his own fighter. With the way things are, Floyd really only has 2 options-Trout or Guerrero. Until Guerrero accepts that 2.5 Floyd really only has Trout. Not a tuneup any fighter would want, but thats just whats available. Forget Floyd's history pertaining to guys bigger than him.. just look at the circumstances of this situation.

And as for Canelo-Trout, with Kirkland, Ortiz, Rosado(I'd love to see Canelo-Rosado. PR vs. Mexico), and Angulo back in the mix, I doubt GBP will risk the Mayweather-Canelo fight by putting Saul in the ring with a high risk opponent like Trout. Canelo has something that Mayweather doesn't have... OPTIONS.

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leonthegee
post Feb 9 2013, 05:56 PM
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Trouts not landing a Mayweather fight because he doesnt have the fanbase. Floyd isnt a natural JMW and hes not moving up to fight just anybody. His only two fights at JMW were his two biggest PPVs. Trout doesnt bring that kind of audience. He needs to beat Canelo in spectacular fashion to land a Mayweather fight. Even if Trout beats Canelo but stinks the joint up in an uneventful 12 round decision I say Mayweather passes. He needs to destroy Canelo to get his shot.
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post Feb 9 2013, 06:20 PM
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QUOTE (leonthegee @ Feb 9 2013, 05:56 PM) *
Trouts not landing a Mayweather fight because he doesnt have the fanbase. Floyd isnt a natural JMW and hes not moving up to fight just anybody. His only two fights at JMW were his two biggest PPVs. Trout doesnt bring that kind of audience. He needs to beat Canelo in spectacular fashion to land a Mayweather fight. Even if Trout beats Canelo but stinks the joint up in an uneventful 12 round decision I say Mayweather passes. He needs to destroy Canelo to get his shot.


True. Trout doesn't have the large fanbase but neither does Guerrero. The main advantage Guerrero has in terms of drawing power is that he's mexican. But I'm 100% certain that nearly every hardcore boxing fan would pay to see Mayweather Trout. They could make up for Trouts fanbase is by putting Canelo against Rosado or Ortiz and giving them some 24/7 exposure. Broner could bring something to the mix as well.
But you do have very good points. I agree with you on everything you stated. But whether or not Mayweather takes the option the reality of the situation is if Guerrero doesn't break and take that 2.5. Trout is the only viable opponent that Mayweather has.

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post Feb 9 2013, 06:59 PM
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2 other possible opponents that haven't been mentioned.

1- Amir Khan- he just came off his return win, he has a UK fanbase and Mayweather would fight in England again. Has Virgil hunter on his team now too so it could present alittle challenge on paper. But we know Mayweather gets that W.

2- Yuri Gamboa- SURPRISE! i remember 50 Cent was hyping this up before, but its very well possible. Even though Gamboa would be moving up big, Marquez had to move up to to fight Mayweather too so it could be a deal. This would probably be my favorite fight out of all the candidates.
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post Feb 9 2013, 08:40 PM
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QUOTE (Marcus @ Feb 9 2013, 02:42 PM) *
As we all know by now, Floyd Vs. Guerrero fell through because Robert has his head way too far up his own ass to accept the 2.5 Million that Floyd is offering him and he wants 4 million.

First off, these are my 3 reasons why Robert doesn't deserve a 4 million dollar payday:

1) Thats Half of Cotto's guaranteed purse when Cotto fought Mayweather. Guerrero hasn't accomplished half of what Cotto has accomplished in the sport, he doesn't have half the fans that Cotto has, and he hasn't made Half the impact on boxing that Cotto has made in the past 10 years. Cotto is a legend and between himself and Marquez he's arguably the 3rd biggest draw in boxing.
2) Victor Ortiz was more than happy to accept that 2.5 million and the Caliber of fighters that Ortiz fought from 140-147 preceding his Mayweather bout was more impressive and extensive than that of Guerrero's. I also think Victor Ortiz's fanbase is greater than Guerrero's although they are pretty similar.
3) Guerrero doesn't even have a belt to bring to the table. He is not a world champion at 147. He brings NOTHING to the table for Floyd. There is no reward fighting this guy. Just another payday but he will do nothing for Floyd's legacy. At LEAST with the possibility of Mayweather-Alexander floyd would have an extra belt to add to his collection. But Guerrero is an interim titlist that JUST began making noise with his move to 147.

There aren't many viable oppenents for Floyd at this point and he's in a position in which he just might have to take the most challenging fight out there...

Top 5 WW(besides Floyd himself):
1. Marquez: (Marquez does not want to fight Floyd)
2. Pacquaio: (Floyd won't fight Pacquaio. He only fights those coming off of big wins. Pacquiao just had a devstatsting loss.)
3. Bradley: (Fighting in March. Won't be available for a May bout. Top Rank will mess up negotiations.)
4. Alexander: (Fighting Kell Brook in May)
5. Guerrero: Wants 4 million dollars that he is NOT worth. Unless he accepts that 2.5 Floyd won't budge.

Top 5 JMW(Besides Floyd himself):
1. Austin Trout: AVAILABLE NO opponent. Ready to go. Just beat Cotto. [b]Trout called Floyd out 1-2 weeks ago on BET. Undefeated GBP/Haymon fighter in his PRIME. [/b]
2. Canelo Alvarez: His appointment with Floyd is in September. Makes no sense to fight him now when Floyd could keep optimizing revenue with Canelo on the undercard.
3/4. Erislandy Lara/Vanes Martirosyan: They're due for a rematch with each other, and they don't have strong fanbases.
5. Miguel Cotto: (Floyd won't fight Cotto again. He only fights those coming off of big wins. Cotto just had 2 losses in a row.)

Top MW:
Sergio Martinez is due to fight Martin Murray in April. Won't have enough time to train for a Mayweather fight.

Mayweather-Matthysee? Highly unlikely. And all other top 5 140 pounders are scheduled for a fight already. If Bundrage beats Smith then MAYBE floyd would fight him but its hard to see that happening. And if Smith beats Bundrage Floyd won't fight his own fighter. With the way things are, Floyd really only has 2 options-Trout or Guerrero. Until Guerrero accepts that 2.5 Floyd really only has Trout. Not a tuneup any fighter would want, but thats just whats available. Forget Floyd's history pertaining to guys bigger than him.. just look at the circumstances of this situation.

And as for Canelo-Trout, with Kirkland, Ortiz, Rosado(I'd love to see Canelo-Rosado. PR vs. Mexico), and Angulo back in the mix, I doubt GBP will risk the Mayweather-Canelo fight by putting Saul in the ring with a high risk opponent like Trout. Canelo has something that Mayweather doesn't have... OPTIONS.


I can't believe that network still exist! Trout would be interesting. I just don't think Mayweather would want to fight him, as stated who the hell is Austin Trout to the average fan? No one. It would be an interesting match.

QUOTE (Jovi @ Feb 9 2013, 03:59 PM) *
2 other possible opponents that haven't been mentioned.

1- Amir Khan- he just came off his return win, he has a UK fanbase and Mayweather would fight in England again. Has Virgil hunter on his team now too so it could present alittle challenge on paper. But we know Mayweather gets that W.

2- Yuri Gamboa- SURPRISE! i remember 50 Cent was hyping this up before, but its very well possible. Even though Gamboa would be moving up big, Marquez had to move up to to fight Mayweather too so it could be a deal. This would probably be my favorite fight out of all the candidates.


Amir Khan would be a perfect opponent! UK fans travel well and they love Floyd. Amir has the mouth needed to sell this fight and not only that but Ricky Hatton could make a guess appearance on 24/7! Plus I would love to hear Virgil Hunter and Floyd Sr. strategies against one another. Good thoughts bro.

Robert Guerrero is smelling his own shit, someone needs to tell him he is in this position by default. Someone needs to tell he is not pound for pound anything. At least Victor Ortiz knew his role. Why a waste!
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post Feb 9 2013, 08:59 PM
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1- Amir Khan- he just came off his return win, he has a UK fanbase and Mayweather would fight in England again


It would be huge in the UK. Going over Floyd's record at Boxrec, I don't think he fought in the UK before. I wish he could fight somewhere other than MGM Grand. How long is his contract stipulated that he must fight there.

There could be haters of Floyd too in the UK. This is huge Khan territory! Would Floyd take that risk due to security reasons?

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QUOTE (Jovi @ Feb 9 2013, 05:59 PM) *
2 other possible opponents that haven't been mentioned.

1- Amir Khan- he just came off his return win, he has a UK fanbase and Mayweather would fight in England again. Has Virgil hunter on his team now too so it could present alittle challenge on paper. But we know Mayweather gets that W.

2- Yuri Gamboa- SURPRISE! i remember 50 Cent was hyping this up before, but its very well possible. Even though Gamboa would be moving up big, Marquez had to move up to to fight Mayweather too so it could be a deal. This would probably be my favorite fight out of all the candidates.



Khan fight never happens, I'm not even sure why his crappy name is even being mentioned, he brings nothing to the table for Floyd except a big payday and that is only if the fight is in the UK.

Gamboa, hasn't fought and beaten anyone worthwhile plus he is way too small to try to take on Floyd. I started laughing hard when I saw this post, the only reason I'm entertaining this is due to the shock value of those two names being mentioned in the same breath as Floyd.
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post Feb 9 2013, 10:50 PM
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QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Feb 9 2013, 06:59 PM) *
It would be huge in the UK. Going over Floyd's record at Boxrec, I don't think he fought in the UK before. I wish he could fight somewhere other than MGM Grand. How long is his contract stipulated that he must fight there.

There could be haters of Floyd too in the UK. This is huge Khan territory! Would Floyd take that risk due to security reasons?

Jack

Why would Floyd fight in the UK? Those fans are the worst. They handle loosing terrible. Why would anybody want to stand in the ring getting peppered with bottles after you beat their fighter? I doubt Floyd signs up for that.
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post Feb 10 2013, 12:07 AM
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guerrero is worth the 4 mil he's asking for. he is floyd's best option available. i'm not interested in seeing floyd fight khan. trout is the only other guy available. i seriously doubt floyd wants to fight trout.
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Feb 10 2013, 12:07 AM) *
guerrero is worth the 4 mil he's asking for. he is floyd's best option available. i'm not interested in seeing floyd fight khan. trout is the only other guy available. i seriously doubt floyd wants to fight trout.



Yup, thats the way i see it too. Guerrero knows exactly how much he's worth because Floyd wants no part of Trout or Alverez. Guerrero is the last man standing. If Floyd doesnt take any of these 3 fights then he loses credibility. Perhaps he stays retired. OR, he takes on Paulie Malignaggi in MSG. Somehow I'm sure his fans will be cool with that.
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