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Marcus
post Feb 9 2013, 05:42 PM
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As we all know by now, Floyd Vs. Guerrero fell through because Robert has his head way too far up his own ass to accept the 2.5 Million that Floyd is offering him and he wants 4 million.

First off, these are my 3 reasons why Robert doesn't deserve a 4 million dollar payday:

1) Thats Half of Cotto's guaranteed purse when Cotto fought Mayweather. Guerrero hasn't accomplished half of what Cotto has accomplished in the sport, he doesn't have half the fans that Cotto has, and he hasn't made Half the impact on boxing that Cotto has made in the past 10 years. Cotto is a legend and between himself and Marquez he's arguably the 3rd biggest draw in boxing.
2) Victor Ortiz was more than happy to accept that 2.5 million and the Caliber of fighters that Ortiz fought from 140-147 preceding his Mayweather bout was more impressive and extensive than that of Guerrero's. I also think Victor Ortiz's fanbase is greater than Guerrero's although they are pretty similar.
3) Guerrero doesn't even have a belt to bring to the table. He is not a world champion at 147. He brings NOTHING to the table for Floyd. There is no reward fighting this guy. Just another payday but he will do nothing for Floyd's legacy. At LEAST with the possibility of Mayweather-Alexander floyd would have an extra belt to add to his collection. But Guerrero is an interim titlist that JUST began making noise with his move to 147.

There aren't many viable oppenents for Floyd at this point and he's in a position in which he just might have to take the most challenging fight out there...

Top 5 WW(besides Floyd himself):
1. Marquez: (Marquez does not want to fight Floyd)
2. Pacquaio: (Floyd won't fight Pacquaio. He only fights those coming off of big wins. Pacquiao just had a devstatsting loss.)
3. Bradley: (Fighting in March. Won't be available for a May bout. Top Rank will mess up negotiations.)
4. Alexander: (Fighting Kell Brook in May)
5. Guerrero: Wants 4 million dollars that he is NOT worth. Unless he accepts that 2.5 Floyd won't budge.

Top 5 JMW(Besides Floyd himself):
1. Austin Trout: AVAILABLE NO opponent. Ready to go. Just beat Cotto. Trout called Floyd out 1-2 weeks ago on BET. Undefeated GBP/Haymon fighter in his PRIME.
2. Canelo Alvarez: His appointment with Floyd is in September. Makes no sense to fight him now when Floyd could keep optimizing revenue with Canelo on the undercard.
3/4. Erislandy Lara/Vanes Martirosyan: They're due for a rematch with each other, and they don't have strong fanbases.
5. Miguel Cotto: (Floyd won't fight Cotto again. He only fights those coming off of big wins. Cotto just had 2 losses in a row.)

Top MW:
Sergio Martinez is due to fight Martin Murray in April. Won't have enough time to train for a Mayweather fight.

Mayweather-Matthysee? Highly unlikely. And all other top 5 140 pounders are scheduled for a fight already. If Bundrage beats Smith then MAYBE floyd would fight him but its hard to see that happening. And if Smith beats Bundrage Floyd won't fight his own fighter. With the way things are, Floyd really only has 2 options-Trout or Guerrero. Until Guerrero accepts that 2.5 Floyd really only has Trout. Not a tuneup any fighter would want, but thats just whats available. Forget Floyd's history pertaining to guys bigger than him.. just look at the circumstances of this situation.

And as for Canelo-Trout, with Kirkland, Ortiz, Rosado(I'd love to see Canelo-Rosado. PR vs. Mexico), and Angulo back in the mix, I doubt GBP will risk the Mayweather-Canelo fight by putting Saul in the ring with a high risk opponent like Trout. Canelo has something that Mayweather doesn't have... OPTIONS.

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post Feb 13 2013, 05:55 PM
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QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ Feb 13 2013, 05:08 PM) *
Whoa, let me stop you right here. Especially before the rest of the crazies come out too. I used Cintron and Clottey as examples of guys he didnt fight. Those two would have given Mayweather much tougher fights than Charmba Mitchel, Zab Judah and Carlos Baldomir. Do you agree or disagree? I do stand by what i actually wrote in that the 4 guys I named, wipe the floor with Mitchel, Judah and Baldomir. And please dont give me the shit about Clottey getting beaten by Baldomir. If you say that and dont quantify it with what actually happened in the fight, then you dont know shit about boxing...

Clottey and Cintron weren't even on the scene back then. Cintron and clottey have never done anything remotely close to deserve a shot at a top guy not even when they did lol. Mitchell before the Floyd fight was considered by some experts to be better or as good as Floyd before he lost. And didn't baldomir win fighter of the year the year Floyd fought him? Zab while being zab was a legitimate contender who had been champ at 147... I can agree that Floyd may have avoided p will kosta hell even Campbell but clottey and Cintron is more than a stretch Haha. And the margarito fight (idk why this is so hard to understand for some people) like cotto was impossible to make because arum despises mayweather.

Just to repeat I agree Floyd and many others have cherry picked but come on.. guys like Cintron and clottey aren't avoided they are overlooked and deservedly so. Cintron is garbage that was trying to get shoved down our throat as a prospect and clottey is a very poor man's glen Johnson
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post Feb 13 2013, 07:13 PM
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QUOTE (checkleft @ Feb 13 2013, 05:55 PM) *
Clottey and Cintron weren't even on the scene back then. Cintron and clottey have never done anything remotely close to deserve a shot at a top guy not even when they did lol. Mitchell before the Floyd fight was considered by some experts to be better or as good as Floyd before he lost. And didn't baldomir win fighter of the year the year Floyd fought him? Zab while being zab was a legitimate contender who had been champ at 147... I can agree that Floyd may have avoided p will kosta hell even Campbell but clottey and Cintron is more than a stretch Haha. And the margarito fight (idk why this is so hard to understand for some people) like cotto was impossible to make because arum despises mayweather.

Just to repeat I agree Floyd and many others have cherry picked but come on.. guys like Cintron and clottey aren't avoided they are overlooked and deservedly so. Cintron is garbage that was trying to get shoved down our throat as a prospect and clottey is a very poor man's glen Johnson



I'll continue to wait fo your answer... "Those two would have given Mayweather much tougher fights than Charmba Mitchel, Zab Judah and Carlos Baldomir. Do you agree or disagree?"
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post Feb 14 2013, 12:01 AM
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QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ Feb 13 2013, 06:13 PM) *
I'll continue to wait fo your answer... "Those two would have given Mayweather much tougher fights than Charmba Mitchel, Zab Judah and Carlos Baldomir. Do you agree or disagree?"

i don't agree. sharmba mitchell is a much better fighter than cintron plus hes a southpaw(the fighters floyd has trouble with) zab judah is a much better boxer than clottey there's no comparison between the two.
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QUOTE (Musashi100 @ Feb 14 2013, 12:01 AM) *
i don't agree. sharmba mitchell is a much better fighter than cintron plus hes a southpaw(the fighters floyd has trouble with) zab judah is a much better boxer than clottey there's no comparison between the two.



You obviously dont know shit about boxing... Sharmba Mitchel was a solid fighter at 140. I notice you were careful to say that he was a better boxer than Kermit Cintron. I agree with that, to the degree that his skills and heart were better. His skills and heart may be better than Kelly Pavlik's, but he aint beating kelly pavlik. Would he have beaten Cintron at 147, HELL FUCKING NO!!! Cintron was too big. Sharmba was shopworn by the time he reached 147. Cintron was big, young, had decent boxing ability along with some pop to his punches. All bad for a smallish guy at 147 who had no pop on his punches and had slipped quite a bit from his best days at 140.

You and some other guys on here apparently only saw Clottey in the Pacquiao fight where Pacquiao threw nonstop punches that forced Clottey to go all turtle shell. Thats why Mayweather wanted Pacquiao tested. Anyway back to Clottey, see his fights against Cotto, Margarito and Richard Guttierez. Oh yeah, and also, ZAB JUDAH LOST TO JOSHUA CLOTTEY!!! Again... YOU DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT BOXING!!!!! All good, close, high output fights. Oh yeah accept for the Judah fight. He was beating Judah pretty easily and I think Judah found a way to quit late in the fight. Clottey made me a believer. He deserved to be in that upper echelon of the WW class.

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