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Marcus
post Feb 9 2013, 05:42 PM
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As we all know by now, Floyd Vs. Guerrero fell through because Robert has his head way too far up his own ass to accept the 2.5 Million that Floyd is offering him and he wants 4 million.

First off, these are my 3 reasons why Robert doesn't deserve a 4 million dollar payday:

1) Thats Half of Cotto's guaranteed purse when Cotto fought Mayweather. Guerrero hasn't accomplished half of what Cotto has accomplished in the sport, he doesn't have half the fans that Cotto has, and he hasn't made Half the impact on boxing that Cotto has made in the past 10 years. Cotto is a legend and between himself and Marquez he's arguably the 3rd biggest draw in boxing.
2) Victor Ortiz was more than happy to accept that 2.5 million and the Caliber of fighters that Ortiz fought from 140-147 preceding his Mayweather bout was more impressive and extensive than that of Guerrero's. I also think Victor Ortiz's fanbase is greater than Guerrero's although they are pretty similar.
3) Guerrero doesn't even have a belt to bring to the table. He is not a world champion at 147. He brings NOTHING to the table for Floyd. There is no reward fighting this guy. Just another payday but he will do nothing for Floyd's legacy. At LEAST with the possibility of Mayweather-Alexander floyd would have an extra belt to add to his collection. But Guerrero is an interim titlist that JUST began making noise with his move to 147.

There aren't many viable oppenents for Floyd at this point and he's in a position in which he just might have to take the most challenging fight out there...

Top 5 WW(besides Floyd himself):
1. Marquez: (Marquez does not want to fight Floyd)
2. Pacquaio: (Floyd won't fight Pacquaio. He only fights those coming off of big wins. Pacquiao just had a devstatsting loss.)
3. Bradley: (Fighting in March. Won't be available for a May bout. Top Rank will mess up negotiations.)
4. Alexander: (Fighting Kell Brook in May)
5. Guerrero: Wants 4 million dollars that he is NOT worth. Unless he accepts that 2.5 Floyd won't budge.

Top 5 JMW(Besides Floyd himself):
1. Austin Trout: AVAILABLE NO opponent. Ready to go. Just beat Cotto. Trout called Floyd out 1-2 weeks ago on BET. Undefeated GBP/Haymon fighter in his PRIME.
2. Canelo Alvarez: His appointment with Floyd is in September. Makes no sense to fight him now when Floyd could keep optimizing revenue with Canelo on the undercard.
3/4. Erislandy Lara/Vanes Martirosyan: They're due for a rematch with each other, and they don't have strong fanbases.
5. Miguel Cotto: (Floyd won't fight Cotto again. He only fights those coming off of big wins. Cotto just had 2 losses in a row.)

Top MW:
Sergio Martinez is due to fight Martin Murray in April. Won't have enough time to train for a Mayweather fight.

Mayweather-Matthysee? Highly unlikely. And all other top 5 140 pounders are scheduled for a fight already. If Bundrage beats Smith then MAYBE floyd would fight him but its hard to see that happening. And if Smith beats Bundrage Floyd won't fight his own fighter. With the way things are, Floyd really only has 2 options-Trout or Guerrero. Until Guerrero accepts that 2.5 Floyd really only has Trout. Not a tuneup any fighter would want, but thats just whats available. Forget Floyd's history pertaining to guys bigger than him.. just look at the circumstances of this situation.

And as for Canelo-Trout, with Kirkland, Ortiz, Rosado(I'd love to see Canelo-Rosado. PR vs. Mexico), and Angulo back in the mix, I doubt GBP will risk the Mayweather-Canelo fight by putting Saul in the ring with a high risk opponent like Trout. Canelo has something that Mayweather doesn't have... OPTIONS.

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post Feb 10 2013, 12:12 PM
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QUOTE (Dolimite @ Feb 9 2013, 08:40 PM) *
Amir Khan would be a perfect opponent! UK fans travel well and they love Floyd. Amir has the mouth needed to sell this fight and not only that but Ricky Hatton could make a guess appearance on 24/7! Plus I would love to hear Virgil Hunter and Floyd Sr. strategies against one another. Good thoughts bro.


In terms of everything besides legacy this fight would be beneficial. And even enetertaining. I'd pay to see it. But at this point even with Virgil Hunter, i dont think ANYONE would get credit for beating Amir Khan. Exposure? Definitely, but credit? No. He is talented without a doubt but his glass jaw, tendency to get knocked out, and his loses in the biggest fights throughout his career outweigh his talent. As a HUGE Mayweather fan if i hear Mayweather Vs. Khan for May 4, please move Andre Ward to number 1 P4p...

QUOTE (mgrover @ Feb 10 2013, 11:19 AM) *
Cotto received 8 million. JMM received 3.2 million, but Mayweather himself received 10 million in that fight, so the its a ratio type of thing. I think 4 million is fair enough since Mayweather will walk out with something like 25 million plus.


QUOTE (daprofessor @ Feb 10 2013, 12:07 AM) *
guerrero is worth the 4 mil he's asking for. he is floyd's best option available. i'm not interested in seeing floyd fight khan. trout is the only other guy available. i seriously doubt floyd wants to fight trout.


As for Guerrero and that 4 million I guess it makes sense why he wants that purse. He knows Floyd has his back against the wall and in fact its smart of him to try to milk the situation as much as he can. But that doesn't mean thats what he's worth and i can't respect him for turning down that 2.5. His highest purse to date is 1 million. He'd be getting 250% more than he's ever made and this man won't fight because he wants 4 million ?! C'MONSON. As I mentioned before Victor Oritz had a FAR more extensive and impressive campaign at 140-147 and he stayed in his place and held on tight to his 2.5. Why can't Guerrero do the same? For a man that has no paper views, no belt at 147, who was unknown to even casual boxing fans 2 fights ago he sure has his nose held high. Why should he get half of what Cotto got? He hasn't contributed or accomplished half of what Cotto has in the sport and Cotto is the 3rd biggest draw in boxing with over 3 million ppv's!! Cotto broke records at MSG! No way in hell Guerrero deserves 4 million. He brings nothing to the table and win lose or draw he's the only one truly gaining from this situation.

Guerrero is no Roberto Duran. At least if he was a Force/Star at 135 with an impressive resume that jumped two weight classes. But this guy wasnt even that well known, publicized, or impressive.

This guy has been calling Floyd out for the past 2 years, claiming he wants to be the best. Claiming he wants to shock the world, and now when the opportunity is presented to him he gets money hungry? This guy is just trying to catch a come up.

I don't think anyone in Floyd's position would want to fight trout and i don't think Floyd will fight Trout. But thats the only viable option Floyd has unless Bundrage comes out victorious against Smith and Trout vs. Canelo happens on the undercard. Bundrage isn't a big draw either but if Floyd was willing to fight Alexander the great im sure they could make Bundrage work especially since Floyd/Bundrage are from Michigan. Bundrage is also very entertaining. But a Mayweather Bundrage fight is unlikely as well and thats not a fight i'd want to take after a layoff either. Floyd better hope Trout doesn't come out a Canelo fight with his hands raised because September will be a nightmare. Mayweather-Trout could go EITHER way.

I think someone mentioned Malinaggi. Malinaggi wants Maidanna so i don't think we'll see him in the ring with Floyd either.

QUOTE (Jovi @ Feb 10 2013, 09:44 AM) *
Yuri Gamboa was a crazy pic of mine, but at this point. Never say never, people will do crazy things for money. With the weight jump it wouldn't be wise. Yuri has been calling out Mayweather for as long as the other choices, he is undefeated, a gold medalist, has a fanbase and with 50 cent in the picture with their "beef" the fight promotion would be handled easily...If Robert Guerrero deserves a shot at Mayweather than Gamboa definitely does too no question...


As for Mayweather PEDboa lmaooo it would sure as hell be interesting /entertaining but Gamboa would get KTFO. And IF that fight materializes (coming from a big Mayweather fan) please put Floyd #3 P4P beneath Ward and Marquez. Floyd should just let Broner handle that on the undercard but Broner-Gamboa is to big of a fight to be an undercard fight.

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post Feb 15 2013, 08:34 PM
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QUOTE (Marcus @ Feb 10 2013, 12:12 PM) *
In terms of everything besides legacy this fight would be beneficial. And even enetertaining. I'd pay to see it. But at this point even with Virgil Hunter, i dont think ANYONE would get credit for beating Amir Khan. Exposure? Definitely, but credit? No. He is talented without a doubt but his glass jaw, tendency to get knocked out, and his loses in the biggest fights throughout his career outweigh his talent. As a HUGE Mayweather fan if i hear Mayweather Vs. Khan for May 4, please move Andre Ward to number 1 P4p...





As for Guerrero and that 4 million I guess it makes sense why he wants that purse. He knows Floyd has his back against the wall and in fact its smart of him to try to milk the situation as much as he can. But that doesn't mean thats what he's worth and i can't respect him for turning down that 2.5. His highest purse to date is 1 million. He'd be getting 250% more than he's ever made and this man won't fight because he wants 4 million ?! C'MONSON. As I mentioned before Victor Oritz had a FAR more extensive and impressive campaign at 140-147 and he stayed in his place and held on tight to his 2.5. Why can't Guerrero do the same? For a man that has no paper views, no belt at 147, who was unknown to even casual boxing fans 2 fights ago he sure has his nose held high. Why should he get half of what Cotto got? He hasn't contributed or accomplished half of what Cotto has in the sport and Cotto is the 3rd biggest draw in boxing with over 3 million ppv's!! Cotto broke records at MSG! No way in hell Guerrero deserves 4 million. He brings nothing to the table and win lose or draw he's the only one truly gaining from this situation.

Guerrero is no Roberto Duran. At least if he was a Force/Star at 135 with an impressive resume that jumped two weight classes. But this guy wasnt even that well known, publicized, or impressive.

This guy has been calling Floyd out for the past 2 years, claiming he wants to be the best. Claiming he wants to shock the world, and now when the opportunity is presented to him he gets money hungry? This guy is just trying to catch a come up.

I don't think anyone in Floyd's position would want to fight trout and i don't think Floyd will fight Trout. But thats the only viable option Floyd has unless Bundrage comes out victorious against Smith and Trout vs. Canelo happens on the undercard. Bundrage isn't a big draw either but if Floyd was willing to fight Alexander the great im sure they could make Bundrage work especially since Floyd/Bundrage are from Michigan. Bundrage is also very entertaining. But a Mayweather Bundrage fight is unlikely as well and thats not a fight i'd want to take after a layoff either. Floyd better hope Trout doesn't come out a Canelo fight with his hands raised because September will be a nightmare. Mayweather-Trout could go EITHER way.

I think someone mentioned Malinaggi. Malinaggi wants Maidanna so i don't think we'll see him in the ring with Floyd either.



As for Mayweather PEDboa lmaooo it would sure as hell be interesting /entertaining but Gamboa would get KTFO. And IF that fight materializes (coming from a big Mayweather fan) please put Floyd #3 P4P beneath Ward and Marquez. Floyd should just let Broner handle that on the undercard but Broner-Gamboa is to big of a fight to be an undercard fight.


you make a lot of valid points...

i'll say this... at one point ppl laughed at floyd when he talked about making 20 million a fight. he said he wanted to make 100 million and ppl thought he was crazy for that as well. he left that money on the table imo with the pac fight which would have been easy money for him.

guerrero asking for 4 million is very realistic. ppl laughed at him 2 years ago when he started calling out floyd. 2 wins later...and accomplishing something that only roberto duran and shane mosley have done before him is a big deal.

you're only worth what you think you are worth. think pennies...and that's what you'll get...think dollars...and that's what you'll get. i ain't mad at guerrero for asking for what he thinks he's worth.

if and when guerrero gets his shot at floyd...one thing is for certain, he's going to earn his money and i believe he's gonna make floyd work really hard for his.
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- Marcus   Floyd Vs. Trout?   Feb 9 2013, 05:42 PM
- - leonthegee   Trouts not landing a Mayweather fight because he d...   Feb 9 2013, 05:56 PM
|- - Marcus   QUOTE (leonthegee @ Feb 9 2013, 05:56 PM)...   Feb 9 2013, 06:20 PM
- - Jovi   2 other possible opponents that haven't been m...   Feb 9 2013, 06:59 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (Jovi @ Feb 9 2013, 05:59 PM) 2 oth...   Feb 9 2013, 09:19 PM
- - Dolimite   QUOTE (Marcus @ Feb 9 2013, 02:42 PM) As ...   Feb 9 2013, 08:40 PM
- - Jack 1000   QUOTE 1- Amir Khan- he just came off his return wi...   Feb 9 2013, 08:59 PM
|- - leonthegee   QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Feb 9 2013, 06:59 PM) ...   Feb 9 2013, 10:50 PM
|- - mgrover   QUOTE (leonthegee @ Feb 10 2013, 03:50 AM...   Feb 10 2013, 08:16 AM
- - daprofessor   guerrero is worth the 4 mil he's asking for. h...   Feb 10 2013, 12:07 AM
|- - The Original MrFactor   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Feb 10 2013, 12:07 A...   Feb 10 2013, 12:43 AM
|- - Dolimite   QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ Feb 9 2013, 09...   Feb 10 2013, 10:30 AM
- - duwdu   This issue is getting nowhere, and is beginning to...   Feb 10 2013, 07:53 AM
- - Jovi   I doubt Mayweather is going to come back and fight...   Feb 10 2013, 09:44 AM
- - mgrover   Cotto received 8 million. JMM received 3.2 million...   Feb 10 2013, 11:19 AM
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- - Musashi100   i want trout vs canelo. no fucking way canelo is a...   Feb 11 2013, 08:10 AM
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