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> The Decline of Manny Pacquiao, When??
mgrover
post Feb 10 2013, 07:30 AM
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When do you think the decline started? A lot of people have said around the time he fought Clottey, others say around the time he fought Margarito. Personally am not quite sure, whether it was the decline of Pac or more the exposure around the time of the Mosley fight.
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mrchitown
post Feb 11 2013, 10:10 PM
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IMO his decline started after the Cotto fight. Realistically his run as this phenom is not impressive. Beating a corpse in DLH, a weight drained Cotto, who was battered by Margarito and probably lost to Clottey. In that fight, I always wondered if he hadn't of scored those early KD's how Cotto would've performed.

After that he looked avg at best. He beat Margarito like he stole something but he took tremendous punishment in that fight and in one of those later rds, Margarito caught him with some body shots that clearly got to Pacquiao and his face told the story at the end of the night. Mosley or should I say better yet Nazim Richardson laid out a blueprint to beat Manny, Shane was just shot to hell. You can analyze Manny's fights since the Cotto fight and look and see the he's studily declined. The performances just got shittier and shittier. If it wasn't JMM, it would've been somebody else to stop the Pacquiao express
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post Feb 17 2013, 08:17 PM
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QUOTE (mrchitown @ Feb 11 2013, 10:10 PM) *
IMO his decline started after the Cotto fight. Realistically his run as this phenom is not impressive. Beating a corpse in DLH, a weight drained Cotto, who was battered by Margarito and probably lost to Clottey. In that fight, I always wondered if he hadn't of scored those early KD's how Cotto would've performed.

After that he looked avg at best. He beat Margarito like he stole something but he took tremendous punishment in that fight and in one of those later rds, Margarito caught him with some body shots that clearly got to Pacquiao and his face told the story at the end of the night. Mosley or should I say better yet Nazim Richardson laid out a blueprint to beat Manny, Shane was just shot to hell. You can analyze Manny's fights since the Cotto fight and look and see the he's studily declined. The performances just got shittier and shittier. If it wasn't JMM, it would've been somebody else to stop the Pacquiao express



This is an asinine post. Manny beat the tar out of Morales and MAB. He is 6-2-1 against that great Mexican trio. He then moved up and beat a sorry Oscar, but he still whipped him. He then crushed Hatton. He crushed Cotto. He ended Margarito's career early. He beat Clottey and Mosley so bad that they didn't even want to fight. He handled a prime fighter in Bradley. I mean really, what else do you want him to do? He fought big guys, he fought skilled boxers, he fought boxer-punchers, he fought pressure guys, etc.

I think I was pulling for the other guy in 90% of Manny's fights, but saying that he was just matched well and that his run wasn't impressive is idiotic at best.

LoL at you trying to give Nazim Richardson any credit for "laying out a blueprint on how to beat Manny".
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post Feb 17 2013, 11:22 PM
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QUOTE (KOpower @ Feb 17 2013, 07:17 PM) *
This is an asinine post. Manny beat the tar out of Morales and MAB. He is 6-2-1 against that great Mexican trio. He then moved up and beat a sorry Oscar, but he still whipped him. He then crushed Hatton. He crushed Cotto. He ended Margarito's career early. He beat Clottey and Mosley so bad that they didn't even want to fight. He handled a prime fighter in Bradley. I mean really, what else do you want him to do? He fought big guys, he fought skilled boxers, he fought boxer-punchers, he fought pressure guys, etc.

I think I was pulling for the other guy in 90% of Manny's fights, but saying that he was just matched well and that his run wasn't impressive is idiotic at best.

LoL at you trying to give Nazim Richardson any credit for "laying out a blueprint on how to beat Manny".


If disrespecting me has to be included in your post then I don't respect it. You see it how you want to keyboard warrior. I call it how I see it. The only idiot or idiotic thing here is your homotional attack on my personal opinion. Now try again, if you can't rsepect me and my opinion and offer a rebuttal in a intelligent manner the don't quote me

LOL at you trying to discredit Nazim's plan. He beat Shane bad, I guess that;s why he was turning Manny all damn night and couldn't even finish him. I'll agree that he crushed Hatton, that 2nd round KO was brutal and even though I was pulling for Hatton int hat comeback fight, deep down I wished he'd stayed retired. That's the kind of punch you never recover from in the ring. Just like the one JMM hit Manny's ass with. Keep Manny's dick in your mouth and stay off mine!!
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post Feb 18 2013, 10:13 PM
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QUOTE (mrchitown @ Feb 17 2013, 11:22 PM) *
If disrespecting me has to be included in your post then I don't respect it. You see it how you want to keyboard warrior. I call it how I see it. The only idiot or idiotic thing here is your homotional attack on my personal opinion. Now try again, if you can't rsepect me and my opinion and offer a rebuttal in a intelligent manner the don't quote me

LOL at you trying to discredit Nazim's plan. He beat Shane bad, I guess that;s why he was turning Manny all damn night and couldn't even finish him. I'll agree that he crushed Hatton, that 2nd round KO was brutal and even though I was pulling for Hatton int hat comeback fight, deep down I wished he'd stayed retired. That's the kind of punch you never recover from in the ring. Just like the one JMM hit Manny's ass with. Keep Manny's dick in your mouth and stay off mine!!



Like I said, I probably pulled for the other guy in 90% of the MP fights I have seen. I don't dislike him...but I certainly don't like him either. I do respect him. He is a helluva a fighter. He is one of the best fighters of this era. He has went out and beaten TONS of top opposition. Like I said, the man is 6-2-1 against that great Mexican trio. He moved up and fought guys MUCH bigger. He fought world champions in their prime and faded legends. He also fought all types of styles. His run is/was EXTREMELY impressive. If you say otherwise, then you aren't based in reality.
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QUOTE (KOpower @ Feb 18 2013, 09:13 PM) *
Like I said, I probably pulled for the other guy in 90% of the MP fights I have seen. I don't dislike him...but I certainly don't like him either. I do respect him. He is a helluva a fighter. He is one of the best fighters of this era. He has went out and beaten TONS of top opposition. Like I said, the man is 6-2-1 against that great Mexican trio. He moved up and fought guys MUCH bigger. He fought world champions in their prime and faded legends. He also fought all types of styles. His run is/was EXTREMELY impressive. If you say otherwise, then you aren't based in reality.


Call me 3-D then lol. I like him, and respect him also. What he did for boxing in terms of the popularity and the fans he brought in was nothing short of spectacular. And I agree that his fights with Morales, Barerra, and JMM(the earlier ones) were good performances on his part. But once he started stepping up it became watered down. He beat a weight drained DLH, Roach even said he saw the IV marks in his arms. He won but I can't really give too much credit for him fighting someone who shouldn't have been fighting at that weight

He beat Cotto, battered Cotto actually. A Cotto who got pummeled by Margarito and who should've lost his title to Clottey that June. He beat Margarito who was slower then him, waaay slower then him, but as I stated before, there were some rds where Margarito got him on the ropes and he bandged to the body and in one particular rd, Manny looked hurt. He beat Clottey who didn't put up a fight and hasn't been seen since. I think he lost the 3rd bout with JMM and he was robbed against Bradley but he fought in spurts

The reason why I say his decline started after the Cotto fight is because in my observation he lost something. His performances became less and less impressive. I thought he was going to finish Shane honestly but Nazim told him to keep turning him and that definitely affected Manny's offense. And he gets major credit from some for beating Shane, when Shane lost decisively to Mayweather and had a draw with Mora before the Pacquiao fight. I give him credit, he won those fights no matter what the circumstances were, he came out victorious. No matter if there were catch weights, weight drained or coming off losses, he won. But from the timer he struck superstardom, I don't see it as impressive. Those fights I just mentioned, when you look at it, the sizzle was taken out of them. I think he benefited from good matchmaking after he became Arum's bottom bitch. But he won so I give him credit for piling up the wins but I'm not going to say I was impressed when looking at his run from 08 up until now because I'd be lying and that I won't do
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- mgrover   The Decline of Manny Pacquiao   Feb 10 2013, 07:30 AM
- - Dric   I would say after the Margarito fight, it was down...   Feb 10 2013, 09:32 AM
- - Plah   I haven't seen any really, Marquez has his num...   Feb 10 2013, 11:24 AM
|- - Dolimite   QUOTE (Plah @ Feb 10 2013, 08:24 AM) I ha...   Feb 10 2013, 03:14 PM
|- - Marcus   QUOTE (Plah @ Feb 10 2013, 11:24 AM) I ha...   Feb 10 2013, 04:39 PM
- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (mgrover @ Feb 10 2013, 07:30 AM) W...   Feb 10 2013, 03:59 PM
- - mitukczuk   To me he didn't really even have a peak (skill...   Feb 10 2013, 04:18 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (mitukczuk @ Feb 10 2013, 04:18 PM)...   Feb 10 2013, 04:56 PM
- - xxxxxx   If you watch the Pacquiao-Margarito fight...Margar...   Feb 11 2013, 01:15 AM
- - mrchitown   IMO his decline started after the Cotto fight. Rea...   Feb 11 2013, 10:10 PM
|- - KOpower   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Feb 11 2013, 10:10 PM)...   Feb 17 2013, 08:17 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (KOpower @ Feb 17 2013, 07:17 PM) T...   Feb 17 2013, 11:22 PM
|- - KOpower   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Feb 17 2013, 11:22 PM)...   Feb 18 2013, 10:13 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (KOpower @ Feb 18 2013, 09:13 PM) L...   Feb 18 2013, 11:55 PM
|- - KOpower   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Feb 18 2013, 11:55 PM)...   Feb 22 2013, 06:24 PM
|- - Dolimite   QUOTE (KOpower @ Feb 22 2013, 03:24 PM) H...   Feb 22 2013, 07:22 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (KOpower @ Feb 22 2013, 07:24 PM) H...   Feb 22 2013, 08:44 PM
||- - KOpower   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Feb 22 2013, 08:44 P...   Feb 22 2013, 10:42 PM
|- - sduck   QUOTE (KOpower @ Feb 22 2013, 06:24 PM) H...   Feb 22 2013, 09:25 PM
- - Franchize   When he started fighting people who knew how to bo...   Feb 12 2013, 09:12 AM
- - flazi   styles makes fights. as long as manny fights boxe...   Feb 12 2013, 02:27 PM
|- - Dric   QUOTE (flazi @ Feb 12 2013, 02:27 PM) sty...   Feb 13 2013, 04:56 PM
- - daprofessor   i don't know if i can call it a decline. he...   Feb 12 2013, 02:42 PM
- - flazi   5 more fights is being generous. i hope he has 5 ...   Feb 14 2013, 06:22 PM
- - Dolimite   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Feb 12 2013, 12:42 P...   Feb 17 2013, 05:22 PM
- - The Original MrFactor   When the heat got turned up about PEDs is when Man...   Feb 17 2013, 07:04 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ Feb 17 2013, 0...   Feb 17 2013, 07:51 PM
- - sduck   There is no decline for him as a fighter, but for ...   Feb 22 2013, 06:57 AM
- - ks1   For his sake, I hope Pac winds up with some money ...   Feb 22 2013, 04:50 PM
- - mrchitown   @KOpower, if many people don't think his run w...   Feb 22 2013, 07:55 PM
|- - Dolimite   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Feb 22 2013, 05:55 PM)...   Feb 22 2013, 08:46 PM
||- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Dolimite @ Feb 22 2013, 09:46 PM) ...   Feb 22 2013, 08:53 PM
||- - mrchitown   QUOTE (Dolimite @ Feb 22 2013, 07:46 PM) ...   Feb 23 2013, 12:09 AM
|- - KOpower   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Feb 22 2013, 07:55 PM)...   Feb 22 2013, 10:51 PM
|- - mgrover   QUOTE (KOpower @ Feb 23 2013, 03:51 AM) M...   Feb 22 2013, 11:43 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (KOpower @ Feb 22 2013, 09:51 PM) M...   Feb 23 2013, 12:23 AM
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|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (Dolimite @ Feb 22 2013, 11:37 PM) ...   Feb 23 2013, 01:42 AM
- - mgrover   I don't get why people make a massive deal out...   Feb 23 2013, 06:26 AM
- - KOpower   I think it is important to find out where you guys...   Feb 23 2013, 10:13 AM
- - KOpower   BTW, it also isn't fair to say that Mayweather...   Feb 23 2013, 10:22 AM
|- - Dolimite   QUOTE (KOpower @ Feb 23 2013, 08:22 AM) B...   Feb 23 2013, 11:08 AM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (KOpower @ Feb 23 2013, 10:22 AM) B...   Feb 23 2013, 10:59 AM
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