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> The Decline of Manny Pacquiao, When??
mgrover
post Feb 10 2013, 07:30 AM
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When do you think the decline started? A lot of people have said around the time he fought Clottey, others say around the time he fought Margarito. Personally am not quite sure, whether it was the decline of Pac or more the exposure around the time of the Mosley fight.
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post Feb 22 2013, 07:55 PM
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@KOpower, if many people don't think his run was impressive then theirs a reason for that. As far as Mayweather and RJJ being matched well. So was Manny, we can go back and forth with that one til we're blue in the face. At least 2 out of the 3 didn't drain their opponents and put in catch weights and other stipulations.

True enough, he had an impressive record against the Mexican trio you speak of but many believe he lost those Marquez fights and we seen the outcome of his last fight against one of them. But I'm not talking about what he did to Barrera and Morales, I'm speaking on his run from 08 up until recently. It was not impressive. I respect him for the worldwide attn he bought the sport but he isn't what alot of people make him out to be

Beating Oscar when he looked mediocre against Forbes and was weight drained and half way retired doesn't merit the accolades you give him. Hatton never looked the same after Mayweather bounced him from ring post to ring post. I could go on and on but I won't. I guess it's subjective but I'm not praising anyone for not taking the challenge that is fair to both parties. He fought fighters coming off of long layoffs and catch weights but people think he's the best thing to happen to boxing, I don't. That's like me giving credit to a team beating the Heat in the finals and Lebron wasn't playing. You may have win the title but you KNOW you didn't beat them at their best. He won but he didn't beat those fighters at their best, and that is a fact.

He took on some big names but he also had an unfair advantage, you can say what you want about Floyd, RJJ, but at least the weight and the fights were on an even playing field. Floyd, RJJ, and even Hopkins are ALL better then Manny IMO
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post Feb 22 2013, 10:51 PM
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QUOTE (mrchitown @ Feb 22 2013, 07:55 PM) *
@KOpower, if many people don't think his run was impressive then theirs a reason for that. As far as Mayweather and RJJ being matched well. So was Manny, we can go back and forth with that one til we're blue in the face. At least 2 out of the 3 didn't drain their opponents and put in catch weights and other stipulations.

True enough, he had an impressive record against the Mexican trio you speak of but many believe he lost those Marquez fights and we seen the outcome of his last fight against one of them. But I'm not talking about what he did to Barrera and Morales, I'm speaking on his run from 08 up until recently. It was not impressive. I respect him for the worldwide attn he bought the sport but he isn't what alot of people make him out to be

Beating Oscar when he looked mediocre against Forbes and was weight drained and half way retired doesn't merit the accolades you give him. Hatton never looked the same after Mayweather bounced him from ring post to ring post. I could go on and on but I won't. I guess it's subjective but I'm not praising anyone for not taking the challenge that is fair to both parties. He fought fighters coming off of long layoffs and catch weights but people think he's the best thing to happen to boxing, I don't. That's like me giving credit to a team beating the Heat in the finals and Lebron wasn't playing. You may have win the title but you KNOW you didn't beat them at their best. He won but he didn't beat those fighters at their best, and that is a fact.

He took on some big names but he also had an unfair advantage, you can say what you want about Floyd, RJJ, but at least the weight and the fights were on an even playing field. Floyd, RJJ, and even Hopkins are ALL better then Manny IMO



MANY people think Manny's run is incredible. He will go down as a boxing legend. It's just that there is a small minority on this board that think Manny is a fraud. Why? Maybe it's because he isn't an orthodox fighter. Maybe it's because he doesn't have the craft that a guy like Marquez has. Maybe it's because he isn't black with a slick style? Hell...maybe it makes you feel better about your own boxing knowledge to say that someone as popular and "main-stream" as Manny really isn't that good?


-I didn't give Manny many accolades for beating up Oscar. He did move up in weight a considerable amount and crushed Oscar. I give him credit for that much. I understand that Oscar had physical issues, no doubt about it.

-Hatton never looked great once he stepped foot on American soil. He is a good fighter, but I don't think he was a considerably different fighter in the Manny fight. Let's be real here...Manny is dusting Hatton at any point in Ricky's career.

-I don't think he is the best thing that ever happened to boxing. He is one of the greatest fighters of our era, but it's almost like a few on here want to say that guys like Danny Garcia or Lamont Peterson are better fighters. Manny isn't better than Floyd, but he is a legend.
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post Feb 22 2013, 11:43 PM
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QUOTE (KOpower @ Feb 23 2013, 03:51 AM) *
MANY people think Manny's run is incredible. He will go down as a boxing legend. It's just that there is a small minority on this board that think Manny is a fraud. Why? Maybe it's because he isn't an orthodox fighter. Maybe it's because he doesn't have the craft that a guy like Marquez has. Maybe it's because he isn't black with a slick style? Hell...maybe it makes you feel better about your own boxing knowledge to say that someone as popular and "main-stream" as Manny really isn't that good?


-I didn't give Manny many accolades for beating up Oscar. He did move up in weight a considerable amount and crushed Oscar. I give him credit for that much. I understand that Oscar had physical issues, no doubt about it.

-Hatton never looked great once he stepped foot on American soil. He is a good fighter, but I don't think he was a considerably different fighter in the Manny fight. Let's be real here...Manny is dusting Hatton at any point in Ricky's career.

-I don't think he is the best thing that ever happened to boxing. He is one of the greatest fighters of our era, but it's almost like a few on here want to say that guys like Danny Garcia or Lamont Peterson are better fighters. Manny isn't better than Floyd, but he is a legend.


It's not what this board has to say but the fact many fights have * next to them. I'll leave with this, it's much easier to go up in weight than to go down. I mean how weaken was Cotto since he did some damage on the ropes and played into character fading down the stretch
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- mgrover   The Decline of Manny Pacquiao   Feb 10 2013, 07:30 AM
- - Dric   I would say after the Margarito fight, it was down...   Feb 10 2013, 09:32 AM
- - Plah   I haven't seen any really, Marquez has his num...   Feb 10 2013, 11:24 AM
|- - Dolimite   QUOTE (Plah @ Feb 10 2013, 08:24 AM) I ha...   Feb 10 2013, 03:14 PM
|- - Marcus   QUOTE (Plah @ Feb 10 2013, 11:24 AM) I ha...   Feb 10 2013, 04:39 PM
- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (mgrover @ Feb 10 2013, 07:30 AM) W...   Feb 10 2013, 03:59 PM
- - mitukczuk   To me he didn't really even have a peak (skill...   Feb 10 2013, 04:18 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (mitukczuk @ Feb 10 2013, 04:18 PM)...   Feb 10 2013, 04:56 PM
- - xxxxxx   If you watch the Pacquiao-Margarito fight...Margar...   Feb 11 2013, 01:15 AM
- - mrchitown   IMO his decline started after the Cotto fight. Rea...   Feb 11 2013, 10:10 PM
|- - KOpower   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Feb 11 2013, 10:10 PM)...   Feb 17 2013, 08:17 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (KOpower @ Feb 17 2013, 07:17 PM) T...   Feb 17 2013, 11:22 PM
|- - KOpower   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Feb 17 2013, 11:22 PM)...   Feb 18 2013, 10:13 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (KOpower @ Feb 18 2013, 09:13 PM) L...   Feb 18 2013, 11:55 PM
|- - KOpower   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Feb 18 2013, 11:55 PM)...   Feb 22 2013, 06:24 PM
|- - Dolimite   QUOTE (KOpower @ Feb 22 2013, 03:24 PM) H...   Feb 22 2013, 07:22 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (KOpower @ Feb 22 2013, 07:24 PM) H...   Feb 22 2013, 08:44 PM
||- - KOpower   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Feb 22 2013, 08:44 P...   Feb 22 2013, 10:42 PM
|- - sduck   QUOTE (KOpower @ Feb 22 2013, 06:24 PM) H...   Feb 22 2013, 09:25 PM
- - Franchize   When he started fighting people who knew how to bo...   Feb 12 2013, 09:12 AM
- - flazi   styles makes fights. as long as manny fights boxe...   Feb 12 2013, 02:27 PM
|- - Dric   QUOTE (flazi @ Feb 12 2013, 02:27 PM) sty...   Feb 13 2013, 04:56 PM
- - daprofessor   i don't know if i can call it a decline. he...   Feb 12 2013, 02:42 PM
- - flazi   5 more fights is being generous. i hope he has 5 ...   Feb 14 2013, 06:22 PM
- - Dolimite   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Feb 12 2013, 12:42 P...   Feb 17 2013, 05:22 PM
- - The Original MrFactor   When the heat got turned up about PEDs is when Man...   Feb 17 2013, 07:04 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ Feb 17 2013, 0...   Feb 17 2013, 07:51 PM
- - sduck   There is no decline for him as a fighter, but for ...   Feb 22 2013, 06:57 AM
- - ks1   For his sake, I hope Pac winds up with some money ...   Feb 22 2013, 04:50 PM
- - mrchitown   @KOpower, if many people don't think his run w...   Feb 22 2013, 07:55 PM
|- - Dolimite   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Feb 22 2013, 05:55 PM)...   Feb 22 2013, 08:46 PM
||- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Dolimite @ Feb 22 2013, 09:46 PM) ...   Feb 22 2013, 08:53 PM
||- - mrchitown   QUOTE (Dolimite @ Feb 22 2013, 07:46 PM) ...   Feb 23 2013, 12:09 AM
|- - KOpower   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Feb 22 2013, 07:55 PM)...   Feb 22 2013, 10:51 PM
|- - mgrover   QUOTE (KOpower @ Feb 23 2013, 03:51 AM) M...   Feb 22 2013, 11:43 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (KOpower @ Feb 22 2013, 09:51 PM) M...   Feb 23 2013, 12:23 AM
- - Dolimite   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Feb 22 2013, 09:09 PM)...   Feb 23 2013, 12:37 AM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (Dolimite @ Feb 22 2013, 11:37 PM) ...   Feb 23 2013, 01:42 AM
- - mgrover   I don't get why people make a massive deal out...   Feb 23 2013, 06:26 AM
- - KOpower   I think it is important to find out where you guys...   Feb 23 2013, 10:13 AM
- - KOpower   BTW, it also isn't fair to say that Mayweather...   Feb 23 2013, 10:22 AM
|- - Dolimite   QUOTE (KOpower @ Feb 23 2013, 08:22 AM) B...   Feb 23 2013, 11:08 AM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (KOpower @ Feb 23 2013, 10:22 AM) B...   Feb 23 2013, 10:59 AM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (Dolimite @ Feb 23 2013, 11:08 AM) ...   Feb 23 2013, 11:14 AM
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|- - Dolimite   QUOTE (checkleft @ Feb 23 2013, 08:31 AM)...   Feb 23 2013, 02:17 PM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (Dolimite @ Feb 23 2013, 02:17 PM) ...   Feb 23 2013, 07:12 PM


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