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> The Decline of Manny Pacquiao, When??
mgrover
post Feb 10 2013, 07:30 AM
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When do you think the decline started? A lot of people have said around the time he fought Clottey, others say around the time he fought Margarito. Personally am not quite sure, whether it was the decline of Pac or more the exposure around the time of the Mosley fight.
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post Feb 23 2013, 10:59 AM
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QUOTE (KOpower @ Feb 23 2013, 10:22 AM) *
BTW, it also isn't fair to say that Mayweather never had any stipulations put into place. He did for the Marquez fight. Remember, Floyd didn't even try to make weight b/c all he had to do was pay JMM off. Floyd's recent run of opponents isn't exactly special. A faded Cotto, a faded Mosley, a never-was in Ortiz, the poorly matched fight with JMM, Gatti, Baldomir, and Judah? Floyd has been protected just as much or more than Manny. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Floyd's next 2 fights were with Danny Garcia and Andre Berto before calling it a career.

I agree but out of your list there are like three names that are obviously safe to me ( baldomir who was on a roll and was fighter of the year, gatti who was a draw at the time, and Juan Manuel because of not making weight).

Ortiz was a powerful punching prospect who just had a war with berto, he wasn't a
"Never was" at the time. Miguel cotto came off his revenge win and the fight wasn't at a catch weight so cotto had the size advantage. And how the hell was anyone suppose to think that mosley was faded at all? That's quite a statement especially since mosley had just obliterated margarito in his previous bout (plus mosley has always had trouble with anyone that has speed and decent timing, forrest, cotto mayweather, manny, mora). A lot of the "cherry picking" you mentioned is from things that happened after Floyd fought them lol.

I think corralles was a big cherry picked fight as well. Wasn't corralles having weight issues? Legal issues? And marital issues? But a lot of people don't mention that fight. Manny just made his safe picks more obvious, and the "belts" he won were Fucking ridiculous. It was honestly making a mockery (a bigger one) of the belt and title system in boxing. Winning belts at catchweights from different weight classes against sub par opposition is seriously a disgrace but most of that was Arums doing not mannys.
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- mgrover   The Decline of Manny Pacquiao   Feb 10 2013, 07:30 AM
- - Dric   I would say after the Margarito fight, it was down...   Feb 10 2013, 09:32 AM
- - Plah   I haven't seen any really, Marquez has his num...   Feb 10 2013, 11:24 AM
|- - Dolimite   QUOTE (Plah @ Feb 10 2013, 08:24 AM) I ha...   Feb 10 2013, 03:14 PM
|- - Marcus   QUOTE (Plah @ Feb 10 2013, 11:24 AM) I ha...   Feb 10 2013, 04:39 PM
- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (mgrover @ Feb 10 2013, 07:30 AM) W...   Feb 10 2013, 03:59 PM
- - mitukczuk   To me he didn't really even have a peak (skill...   Feb 10 2013, 04:18 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (mitukczuk @ Feb 10 2013, 04:18 PM)...   Feb 10 2013, 04:56 PM
- - xxxxxx   If you watch the Pacquiao-Margarito fight...Margar...   Feb 11 2013, 01:15 AM
- - mrchitown   IMO his decline started after the Cotto fight. Rea...   Feb 11 2013, 10:10 PM
|- - KOpower   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Feb 11 2013, 10:10 PM)...   Feb 17 2013, 08:17 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (KOpower @ Feb 17 2013, 07:17 PM) T...   Feb 17 2013, 11:22 PM
|- - KOpower   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Feb 17 2013, 11:22 PM)...   Feb 18 2013, 10:13 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (KOpower @ Feb 18 2013, 09:13 PM) L...   Feb 18 2013, 11:55 PM
|- - KOpower   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Feb 18 2013, 11:55 PM)...   Feb 22 2013, 06:24 PM
|- - Dolimite   QUOTE (KOpower @ Feb 22 2013, 03:24 PM) H...   Feb 22 2013, 07:22 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (KOpower @ Feb 22 2013, 07:24 PM) H...   Feb 22 2013, 08:44 PM
||- - KOpower   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Feb 22 2013, 08:44 P...   Feb 22 2013, 10:42 PM
|- - sduck   QUOTE (KOpower @ Feb 22 2013, 06:24 PM) H...   Feb 22 2013, 09:25 PM
- - Franchize   When he started fighting people who knew how to bo...   Feb 12 2013, 09:12 AM
- - flazi   styles makes fights. as long as manny fights boxe...   Feb 12 2013, 02:27 PM
|- - Dric   QUOTE (flazi @ Feb 12 2013, 02:27 PM) sty...   Feb 13 2013, 04:56 PM
- - daprofessor   i don't know if i can call it a decline. he...   Feb 12 2013, 02:42 PM
- - flazi   5 more fights is being generous. i hope he has 5 ...   Feb 14 2013, 06:22 PM
- - Dolimite   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Feb 12 2013, 12:42 P...   Feb 17 2013, 05:22 PM
- - The Original MrFactor   When the heat got turned up about PEDs is when Man...   Feb 17 2013, 07:04 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ Feb 17 2013, 0...   Feb 17 2013, 07:51 PM
- - sduck   There is no decline for him as a fighter, but for ...   Feb 22 2013, 06:57 AM
- - ks1   For his sake, I hope Pac winds up with some money ...   Feb 22 2013, 04:50 PM
- - mrchitown   @KOpower, if many people don't think his run w...   Feb 22 2013, 07:55 PM
|- - Dolimite   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Feb 22 2013, 05:55 PM)...   Feb 22 2013, 08:46 PM
||- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Dolimite @ Feb 22 2013, 09:46 PM) ...   Feb 22 2013, 08:53 PM
||- - mrchitown   QUOTE (Dolimite @ Feb 22 2013, 07:46 PM) ...   Feb 23 2013, 12:09 AM
|- - KOpower   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Feb 22 2013, 07:55 PM)...   Feb 22 2013, 10:51 PM
|- - mgrover   QUOTE (KOpower @ Feb 23 2013, 03:51 AM) M...   Feb 22 2013, 11:43 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (KOpower @ Feb 22 2013, 09:51 PM) M...   Feb 23 2013, 12:23 AM
- - Dolimite   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Feb 22 2013, 09:09 PM)...   Feb 23 2013, 12:37 AM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (Dolimite @ Feb 22 2013, 11:37 PM) ...   Feb 23 2013, 01:42 AM
- - mgrover   I don't get why people make a massive deal out...   Feb 23 2013, 06:26 AM
- - KOpower   I think it is important to find out where you guys...   Feb 23 2013, 10:13 AM
- - KOpower   BTW, it also isn't fair to say that Mayweather...   Feb 23 2013, 10:22 AM
|- - Dolimite   QUOTE (KOpower @ Feb 23 2013, 08:22 AM) B...   Feb 23 2013, 11:08 AM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (KOpower @ Feb 23 2013, 10:22 AM) B...   Feb 23 2013, 10:59 AM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (Dolimite @ Feb 23 2013, 11:08 AM) ...   Feb 23 2013, 11:14 AM
|- - Dolimite   QUOTE (checkleft @ Feb 23 2013, 09:14 AM)...   Feb 23 2013, 11:24 AM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (Dolimite @ Feb 23 2013, 11:24 AM) ...   Feb 23 2013, 11:31 AM
|- - Dolimite   QUOTE (checkleft @ Feb 23 2013, 08:31 AM)...   Feb 23 2013, 02:17 PM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (Dolimite @ Feb 23 2013, 02:17 PM) ...   Feb 23 2013, 07:12 PM


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