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mitukczuk
post Feb 19 2013, 01:06 PM
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Money May vs. Guerrero!

What are your unofficial predcitions?

I think Guerrero will try to make it as rough and ugly as possible, but he will eventually fall behind - as everyone - and allow Floyd to capitalize on his mistakes. I don't think The Ghost will break down though. He seems to be very strong-willed so I expect him to fight for the whole 3 minutes of every round. Floyd might get hit early on before he adjusts as he did in the Judah fight. I don't see a KO though. Floyd ain't gonna leave his throne just yet.

I expect Floyd to be defensively minded and picking his shots while frustrating Guerrero with defense on the ropes as I think Robert will try to bully him there.

All in all...I feel the same way as I always do when Floyd announces his opponent - unsure. Hell, I was worried that JMM will get him (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Not gonna happen though...

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post Feb 21 2013, 01:09 AM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Feb 20 2013, 02:32 PM) *
i don't get the comparisons to hatton or castillo. you guys are selling guerrero short. he has more elements to his style and i believe he's a sharper puncher.....also, lets not forget that he is NOT fighting the same floyd that castillo or hatton fought. he's fighting a 30 something year old floyd who is coming off a long lay off....the worst performance of his career....and way too many push ups during his prison stint. the pressure is on floyd....guerrero has been gunning for this moment because he knows he has what it takes to exploit some of floyds tendencies. guerrero will have far more success than castillo and hatton combined. i'm not a floyd hater at all. i love the mans style and i believe he's probably the most skilled boxer we have ever seen in the ring. his accomplishments, or lack thereof. are a different story.


I don't think people are selling guerrero short at all. I believe people are giving him WAY too much credit, he's an extremely dirty fighter with a very shady flip flop good guy hardcore christian wanna be gangster attitude and crew. His performances against very limited opposition were underwelming even coming off the layoff. Soto karass accomplished the exact same thing guerrero did against aydin, so does he deserve a shot at Floyd too? And the only things he did against berto is fight even dirtier. And its nothing new, he has been like this since I saw him fight katsidids. I have zero respect for his style and very little for his demeanor.

But you are completely right about Floyd. People are putting a lot of stock into floyds former skills, he has come from a long layoff a jail stint and a different physique due to the excersise he was limited to in jail. Not only that but he is a year older. I would not be surprised if Floyd is slower, rusty, a little awkward, or even hurt in what I can only expect to be a very sloppy up close and personal fight unless there is a very active ref in there.

And I wouldn't be surprised as some mentioned if guerrero has some point deductions or is even dqd if hw resorts to his normal tactics.
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post Feb 21 2013, 03:53 PM
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QUOTE (checkleft @ Feb 21 2013, 02:09 AM) *
I don't think people are selling guerrero short at all. I believe people are giving him WAY too much credit, he's an extremely dirty fighter with a very shady flip flop good guy hardcore christian wanna be gangster attitude and crew. His performances against very limited opposition were underwelming even coming off the layoff. Soto karass accomplished the exact same thing guerrero did against aydin, so does he deserve a shot at Floyd too? And the only things he did against berto is fight even dirtier. And its nothing new, he has been like this since I saw him fight katsidids. I have zero respect for his style and very little for his demeanor.

But you are completely right about Floyd. People are putting a lot of stock into floyds former skills, he has come from a long layoff a jail stint and a different physique due to the excersise he was limited to in jail. Not only that but he is a year older. I would not be surprised if Floyd is slower, rusty, a little awkward, or even hurt in what I can only expect to be a very sloppy up close and personal fight unless there is a very active ref in there.

And I wouldn't be surprised as some mentioned if guerrero has some point deductions or is even dqd if hw resorts to his normal tactics.


i can't put soto-karass' win on the same level as guerrero because guerrero accomplished it first. plus...i didn't see the fight. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) big difference between guerrero and soto-karass is that guerrero is coming off a nice little string of wins with great momentum in his favor.

i agree...he can be dirty and he is tough. that is precisely why i believe he's going to make things difficult for floyd. the thing about it....i don't care if you are the best ever....you cannot have these looooong breaks and expect to maintain your skill level and sharpness.

a closer look at floyds last three performances are a bit revealing in my mind. each fight was less impressive than the last. each fight floyd was getting touched. mosley was coming off more than a year layoff. ortiz has never really been intelligent, but he did rock floyd prior to the headbutt. cotto was able to land the most. i think at this point....guerrero is a sharper puncher than all three of those guys. he's capable of making adjustments and only cotto is the more intelligent fighter imo. the thing i like about guerrero more than cotto at this point is that he will stay on the body. that is what is going to separate him from floyds last 3 opponents.

add to that...yeah....he's going back to working with his pops...that's a transition as well. they haven't worked together in years. because they have history and sr started him out...they will get back, i'm sure. but consider this....floyd sr is more defensive minded. if floyd jr sits back more on defense than he normally does...guerrero can steal some rounds with activity. all of this spells mediocre performance by floyd. showtime is going to be rethinking this big contract that they have committed to.

all the pressure is going to weigh on floyd come fight night. pac getting ko'd....having to live up to this contract....the switch to showtime....the switch to his pops. a lot is at stake here....and everyone is expecting guerrero to lose. meanwhile....guerrero is in the fight of his life. this has worked out just the way he planned. his belief, however twisted it may be...is what's guiding him. he's going to be pumped for the situation with pretty much nothing to lose and everything to gain.

good ref or not...the damage is going to be done and floyd is going to feel the effects. will it break him down? we know the crowd is going to be predominantly mexican in vegas. will the ref succumb to the boos and jeers of the people when they prefer to see guerrero rough housing to get the win? will golden boy really have floyds best interest in mind? somewhere in there...there has to be some resentment from oscar. how does that play into the selection of officials?

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- mitukczuk   Mayweather signs 6 fight deal w/showtime: Announces Guerrero as May 4th opponent   Feb 19 2013, 01:06 PM
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