[mgrover]

James Tony had speed and power Roy Jones iced that. Lewis iced out Tyson who had speed and power. Like Uncle Roger said, speed don't means shit unless you know how to use it.

Those are bad examples haha, it was Roy Jones who had the reflexes and speed of a god, and Toney who was the boxer. Lewis iced out an old Tyson way past it Tyson that was realistically nothing more than a puncher. The rest I can't disagree with.

[Cheesey1]

Well, just call me Mr. Illogical because I thought Pac lost that fight, he was swinging and missing mostly and Bradley displayed all the things that Pac didn't in that fight:
Ring Generalship: Bradley
Effective Aggression: Bradley
Defense: Bradley
Clean Punching: Bradley

Pac had Aggression but it was mostly ineffective and if you call all of that screaming by the audience thinking he was landing as the reason he won then you need to take another look at that fight without the worst commentating in boxing history (they called nothing for Tim in that fight) and turn down the volume then watch it without bias one way or the other.

Pac lost IMO by more than 2 rounds, sorry we probably won't agree but I saw it without all the Pac hype and screaming/ridiculous HBO commentary and that is the way I saw it.

I'm also part of the 'Illogical' family then.

[Dolimite]

Those are bad examples haha, it was Roy Jones who had the reflexes and speed of a god, and Toney who was the boxer. Lewis iced out an old Tyson way past it Tyson that was realistically nothing more than a puncher. The rest I can't disagree with.

James Tony was pretty fast, Jones was faster. Tyson still had power and speed. Lewis did ice, Lewis was not faster than Tyson in that fight, his timing and boxing skills were better than Mike. IMO

[mgrover]

James Tony was pretty fast, Jones was faster. Tyson still had power and speed. Lewis did ice, Lewis was not faster than Tyson in that fight, his timing and boxing skills were better than Mike. IMO

I don't know I think it was simply a matter that Tyson's style was more suited to a younger man.

[mrchitown]

Haz you fail to realize that none of Roach's fighters are boxers they are all brawlers and for some reason the masses think that a brawler can out fight a boxer. They look at too many Rocky movies and think this is what boxing is about. Which is why people still think that Manny's power and speed would destroy Floyd. If they were students of the game all they had to do is look at May vs. Judah. Judah had speed and power and could not do anything with it. James Tony had speed and power Roy Jones iced that. Lewis iced out Tyson who had speed and power. Like Uncle Roger said, speed don't means shit unless you know how to use it. Freddie is an offensive minded trainer. All his fighters lost to boxers! He is a one trick pony. He can only teach one way, his fighters never can adjust in the ring they only know one speed.

Judah controlled the 1st four or five rds of that fight and when fans look at the replay, he should've been awarded a KD because that straight left made Mayweather's right glove touch the canvas

I can't agree with you that Lennox boring ass iced Tyson, maybe if he would've KO'd him in the earlier rds. He fought a faded Tyson, not saying he wouldn't have beaten Tyson in his prime but he did what he was supposed to do in that fight, nothing special

For the record, I think Mike would've beat him in their primes but the 2002 Tyson, anyone with common sense knew why Mike was in the ring that night