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BrutUalBK
post Mar 10 2013, 02:29 PM
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America is very selective at best when it comes to who we pick and chose when it comes to making celebrities, if BHop was in any other country in the world he'd be on the cover of every magazine, box of cereal, doing all the commercials and an icon to their status as a proud nation.

But in the USA, Hopkins isn't celebrated, isn't given any or very little fanfare at all. I wish I knew the reasoning for this but I guess I'd have to ask you guys here to speculate as to why this is, Lance Armstrong prior to his downfall was The Man in his native land and the only person who stood par with him are Jordan and Pacquiao.

I have a few reasons why I believe he'd never get the status he deserves in the public's persona are the following:

1. Former Felon
2. Not considered by some to be an exciting fighter
3. Boxing as a whole isn't amongst the country's most embraced sports like Football
4. He's African American (not necessarily a racial thing here) but if he were White then I believe he'd get the fanfare because white America still longs for their GWH
5. He isn't exactly pleasing to the eye (looks), the missing teeth do not help
6. In the past some took the comment he made about Joe C "never let a white boy beat me" as a racial attack and they won't live it down/let it go
7. The powers that be doesn't want an old face to be the face of this sport, they prefer the young bruiser types like Tyson

Personally, I believe he should be given more credit for what he has done and continues to do because as far as I know there isn't another dominant champion in any other sport at his age that continues to be as defiant/at the top of their league and doing it against opposition nearly half their age.

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sduck
post Mar 11 2013, 05:39 PM
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What in the world, how dare people here cry racism when America loved loud, outspoken, foul-mouthed black fighters like Ali and Tyson, even till this day. People loved black fighters as far back as Joe Louis and Ray Robinson eras. Race and nationality does play a factor in the sport, but to blame Hopkins' success in popularity on his race is asinine to me. Hopkins is simply not an appealing person to the masses, in the ring and outside of it.

Also, there was a headline article on MSN about Hopkins' victory over Cloud, it didn't go anywhere because he's just not appealing. He was also headlined when he beat Pascal to become the oldest man in the sport to win a title. Hopkins can't sell, never could.

Another thing, both Ali and Tyson were both proud and open about their faith in Islam, so how does that play a factor? Unless you consider how times changed and Islam is now more hated than ever...

And another, name one white fighter that was ever bigger in the sport than your known black fighters? Not a single one. Most people today can't even identify people like Willie Pep or Jake LoMatta...

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post Mar 11 2013, 07:32 PM
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QUOTE (sduck @ Mar 11 2013, 04:39 PM) *
What in the world, how dare people here cry racism when America loved loud, outspoken, foul-mouthed black fighters like Ali and Tyson, even till this day. People loved black fighters as far back as Joe Louis and Ray Robinson eras. Race and nationality does play a factor in the sport, but to blame Hopkins' success in popularity on his race is asinine to me. Hopkins is simply not an appealing person to the masses, in the ring and outside of it.

Also, there was a headline article on MSN about Hopkins' victory over Cloud, it didn't go anywhere because he's just not appealing. He was also headlined when he beat Pascal to become the oldest man in the sport to win a title. Hopkins can't sell, never could.

Another thing, both Ali and Tyson were both proud and open about their faith in Islam, so how does that play a factor? Unless you consider how times changed and Islam is now more hated than ever...

And another, name one white fighter that was ever bigger in the sport than your known black fighters? Not a single one. Most people today can't even identify people like Willie Pep or Jake LoMatta...


I guess I didn't get the memo that Ali and Tyson were loved when they were fighting. Them 2 were ridiculed, belittled and everything in between when they were fighting. They came out and championed Tyson, then when he seemed indestructible they turned on him and called him an animal. he's just now getting the love from "America" that he should've been getting all along

If Ali was so loved then why did the mainstream applaud and cheer against him when he fought and lost to Frazier in their 1st fight. Ali is another fighter who wasn't loved til years later

Joe Louis? Look what they did to him, remember they told him in order for him to get a shot he had to not do what Jack Johnson did and he was to act and be a certain way in the public. If that's love then I don't want it. How the f*ck you figure they loved Joe Louis when the papers always referred to him with those racist nicknames? They put him together and they busted him out. Look how he died, dude didn't have nothing. F*ck that, you got a funny definition of love.
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post Mar 11 2013, 07:40 PM
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QUOTE (mrchitown @ Mar 11 2013, 07:32 PM) *
I guess I didn't get the memo that Ali and Tyson were loved when they were fighting. Them 2 were ridiculed, belittled and everything in between when they were fighting. They came out and championed Tyson, then when he seemed indestructible they turned on him and called him an animal. he's just now getting the love from "America" that he should've been getting all along

If Ali was so loved then why did the mainstream applaud and cheer against him when he fought and lost to Frazier in their 1st fight. Ali is another fighter who wasn't loved til years later

Joe Louis? Look what they did to him, remember they told him in order for him to get a shot he had to not do what Jack Johnson did and he was to act and be a certain way in the public. If that's love then I don't want it. How the f*ck you figure they loved Joe Louis when the papers always referred to him with those racist nicknames? They put him together and they busted him out. Look how he died, dude didn't have nothing. F*ck that, you got a funny definition of love.



To be fair, America turned on Mike when it was revealed that he allegedly committed two taboos: Domestic violence w/ Robin Givens and rape w/ Desiree Washington. No matter how we feel about the accusations, can't really use Mike as an example when he has those two on his docket.
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- BrutUalBK   WHY DOESN'T AMERICA CELEBRATE HOPKINS?   Mar 10 2013, 02:29 PM
- - Marcus   QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Mar 10 2013, 02:29 PM)...   Mar 10 2013, 03:06 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (Marcus @ Mar 10 2013, 02:06 PM) I ...   Mar 10 2013, 03:34 PM
- - neophyte7   Race is a factor   Mar 10 2013, 06:24 PM
- - daprofessor   why didn't they celebrate barry bonds? why di...   Mar 10 2013, 07:38 PM
- - bnoles4life   He's a dick, maybe?   Mar 10 2013, 07:58 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (bnoles4life @ Mar 10 2013, 06:58 P...   Mar 10 2013, 11:26 PM
|- - bnoles4life   QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Mar 10 2013, 11:26 PM)...   Mar 11 2013, 04:09 AM
- - The Original MrFactor   QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Mar 10 2013, 03:29 PM)...   Mar 11 2013, 12:43 AM
- - neophyte7   Fuck rigid and racist jew Arum.. Hopkins had a dec...   Mar 11 2013, 09:43 AM
- - Dolimite   Same reason why they do not celebrate: Vick (befor...   Mar 11 2013, 01:10 PM
- - neophyte7   QUOTE (Dolimite @ Mar 11 2013, 02:10 PM) ...   Mar 11 2013, 01:23 PM
|- - bnoles4life   QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Mar 11 2013, 01:23 PM)...   Mar 11 2013, 04:41 PM
- - sduck   What in the world, how dare people here cry racism...   Mar 11 2013, 05:39 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE QUOTE (sduck @ Mar 11 2013, 04:39 P...   Mar 11 2013, 06:56 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (sduck @ Mar 11 2013, 04:39 PM) Wha...   Mar 11 2013, 07:32 PM
|- - bnoles4life   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Mar 11 2013, 07:32 PM)...   Mar 11 2013, 07:40 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (bnoles4life @ Mar 11 2013, 06:40 P...   Mar 11 2013, 10:15 PM
|- - Hotsauce   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Mar 11 2013, 10:15 PM)...   Mar 18 2013, 09:40 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (Hotsauce @ Mar 18 2013, 08:40 PM) ...   Mar 18 2013, 10:11 PM
- - Dolimite   QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Mar 11 2013, 11:23 AM)...   Mar 11 2013, 05:48 PM
- - mrchitown   He's a talented black man that isn't a sla...   Mar 11 2013, 07:25 PM
- - neophyte7   [quote name='Dolimite' date='Mar 11 20...   Mar 11 2013, 08:10 PM
- - sduck   QUOTE (Dolimite @ Mar 11 2013, 05:48 PM) ...   Mar 11 2013, 08:31 PM
|- - Dolimite   QUOTE (sduck @ Mar 11 2013, 06:31 PM) Thi...   Mar 11 2013, 08:51 PM
||- - Hotsauce   QUOTE (Dolimite @ Mar 11 2013, 08:51 PM) ...   Mar 18 2013, 09:38 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (sduck @ Mar 11 2013, 07:31 PM) Thi...   Mar 11 2013, 09:53 PM
- - daprofessor   i think more than anything....bhop is not someone ...   Mar 11 2013, 09:04 PM
- - sduck   QUOTE (Dolimite @ Mar 11 2013, 08:51 PM) ...   Mar 11 2013, 10:34 PM
- - The Original MrFactor   I sat and thought about this one for a few days. I...   Mar 12 2013, 03:08 AM
- - Cshel86   QUOTE (sduck @ Mar 11 2013, 06:39 PM) Wha...   Mar 12 2013, 08:25 AM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Mar 12 2013, 07:25 AM) I...   Mar 12 2013, 06:32 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Mar 12 2013, 06:32 PM)...   Mar 12 2013, 07:31 PM
- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE So when was he ever bigger than your top bla...   Mar 12 2013, 09:24 AM
|- - WolfishPromistah   QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Mar 12 2013, 10:24 AM)...   Mar 13 2013, 01:53 AM
- - pacco_diablo   IMO, race does play a small part in it. Mostly fr...   Mar 12 2013, 11:00 AM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (pacco_diablo @ Mar 12 2013, 10:00 ...   Mar 12 2013, 12:10 PM
- - sduck   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Mar 12 2013, 08:25 AM) P...   Mar 13 2013, 04:47 AM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (sduck @ Mar 13 2013, 04:47 AM) Tha...   Mar 13 2013, 08:01 AM
|- - sduck   QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Mar 13 2013, 08:01 AM)...   Mar 13 2013, 07:06 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (sduck @ Mar 13 2013, 07:06 PM) lol...   Mar 13 2013, 07:10 PM
- - neophyte7   Overall Hopkin's achievements are like a giant...   Mar 13 2013, 06:30 PM
- - mgrover   I do have a fault with both the people he fought t...   Mar 13 2013, 07:55 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (mgrover @ Mar 13 2013, 06:55 PM) I...   Mar 13 2013, 08:49 PM
|- - mgrover   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Mar 14 2013, 01:49 AM)...   Mar 14 2013, 05:48 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (mgrover @ Mar 14 2013, 04:48 PM) D...   Mar 14 2013, 06:13 PM
|- - mgrover   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Mar 14 2013, 11:13 PM)...   Mar 14 2013, 06:17 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (mgrover @ Mar 14 2013, 05:17 PM) n...   Mar 14 2013, 07:09 PM
- - neophyte7   QUOTE (mgrover @ Mar 13 2013, 08:55 PM) I...   Mar 13 2013, 08:15 PM
|- - mgrover   QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Mar 14 2013, 01:15 AM)...   Mar 14 2013, 05:46 PM
- - neophyte7   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Mar 13 2013, 09:49 PM)...   Mar 14 2013, 12:56 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Mar 14 2013, 11:56 AM)...   Mar 14 2013, 03:29 PM
- - mgrover   Hopkins obviously, I mean he beat Cloud to win the...   Mar 14 2013, 08:07 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (mgrover @ Mar 14 2013, 07:07 PM) H...   Mar 15 2013, 02:33 PM
|- - mgrover   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Mar 15 2013, 07:33 PM)...   Mar 15 2013, 07:46 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (mgrover @ Mar 15 2013, 06:46 PM) F...   Mar 15 2013, 08:20 PM
|- - mgrover   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Mar 16 2013, 01:20 AM)...   Mar 16 2013, 01:40 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (mgrover @ Mar 16 2013, 12:40 PM) I...   Mar 17 2013, 04:42 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Mar 17 2013, 04:42 PM)...   Mar 18 2013, 06:56 AM
- - sduck   I think what MG is saying makes sense. You can def...   Mar 19 2013, 01:50 AM
- - anthonyaccurate   To anyone discrediting b-hop for beating cloud as ...   Mar 19 2013, 05:01 AM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (anthonyaccurate @ Mar 19 2013, 04...   Mar 19 2013, 10:18 PM
|- - mgrover   QUOTE (anthonyaccurate @ Mar 19 2013, 10...   Mar 20 2013, 01:03 PM
||- - anthonyaccurate   QUOTE (mgrover @ Mar 20 2013, 02:03 PM) D...   Mar 21 2013, 10:20 PM
||- - mgrover   QUOTE (anthonyaccurate @ Mar 22 2013, 03...   Mar 22 2013, 05:51 AM
|- - sduck   QUOTE (anthonyaccurate @ Mar 19 2013, 05...   Mar 20 2013, 10:43 PM
- - neophyte7   Dawson was simply better that night and style wise...   Mar 22 2013, 07:06 AM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Mar 22 2013, 07:06 AM)...   Mar 26 2013, 01:25 PM
- - mgrover   http://www.fighthype.com/news/article14111.html I...   Mar 26 2013, 10:28 AM
- - FinitoElDinamita   IT's simple. Reason he's not celebrated i...   Mar 27 2013, 09:13 PM
- - neophyte7   [quote name='FinitoElDinamita' date='M...   Mar 27 2013, 09:48 PM
- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE Bullshit...Someone highlighted that Lance Ar...   Mar 28 2013, 04:57 AM


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