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> WHY DOESN'T AMERICA CELEBRATE HOPKINS?, Before the doping Armstrong was heraleded!!
BrutUalBK
post Mar 10 2013, 02:29 PM
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America is very selective at best when it comes to who we pick and chose when it comes to making celebrities, if BHop was in any other country in the world he'd be on the cover of every magazine, box of cereal, doing all the commercials and an icon to their status as a proud nation.

But in the USA, Hopkins isn't celebrated, isn't given any or very little fanfare at all. I wish I knew the reasoning for this but I guess I'd have to ask you guys here to speculate as to why this is, Lance Armstrong prior to his downfall was The Man in his native land and the only person who stood par with him are Jordan and Pacquiao.

I have a few reasons why I believe he'd never get the status he deserves in the public's persona are the following:

1. Former Felon
2. Not considered by some to be an exciting fighter
3. Boxing as a whole isn't amongst the country's most embraced sports like Football
4. He's African American (not necessarily a racial thing here) but if he were White then I believe he'd get the fanfare because white America still longs for their GWH
5. He isn't exactly pleasing to the eye (looks), the missing teeth do not help
6. In the past some took the comment he made about Joe C "never let a white boy beat me" as a racial attack and they won't live it down/let it go
7. The powers that be doesn't want an old face to be the face of this sport, they prefer the young bruiser types like Tyson

Personally, I believe he should be given more credit for what he has done and continues to do because as far as I know there isn't another dominant champion in any other sport at his age that continues to be as defiant/at the top of their league and doing it against opposition nearly half their age.

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post Mar 12 2013, 08:25 AM
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QUOTE (sduck @ Mar 11 2013, 06:39 PM) *
What in the world, how dare people here cry racism when America loved loud, outspoken, foul-mouthed black fighters like Ali and Tyson, even till this day.

People loved them AFTER they hit rock bottom, and more than likely, that "love" that they show them, is from pure guilt for all of the nasty shit that they said about them while they were on top of their game.

Ali is damn near the poster child for Parkinson's disease, and why isn't Michael J. Fox the poster child? It's a weird way of looking at it, but I believe people "uplift" Ali and condition, because he's still suffering. Michael J. Fox doesn't seem to be doing all that bad nowadays, but Ali on the other hand...

No matter how much shit Tyson did back in the day, I believe most can stand up and say that Mike is a real dude. The stuff that he expresses nowadays, most men wouldn't even admit. When he seemed dangerous and mentally unstable, they had everything in the world to say about him, but now that he has this pleasant demeanor, people are clamoring over his presence and so on.

QUOTE (mrchitown @ Mar 11 2013, 08:25 PM) *
He's a talented black man that isn't a slave to the system and says and does what he wants. Of course America doesn't campaign for him, but he always gets the last laugh

I believe that anybody that refuses to fall in line, and decides to do things their way, usually catches hell. Stuff like that takes courage, along with knowing that you'll receive some backlash and probably wont get paid for a while.

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These idiots care more about dogs then getting guns off the streets and implementing programs for the community.

Now if we want to talk about something, THAT'S what needs to be discussed. It takes an incident like Sandy Hook Elementary or Columbine High School, to make people spew out some fear-driven mumbo jumbo about gun control. Funny thing is, nobody is saying shit about these daily death deaths in Chicago and so on.
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post Mar 12 2013, 06:32 PM
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QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Mar 12 2013, 07:25 AM) *
I believe that anybody that refuses to fall in line, and decides to do things their way, usually catches hell. Stuff like that takes courage, along with knowing that you'll receive some backlash and probably wont get paid for a while.


Now if we want to talk about something, THAT'S what needs to be discussed. It takes an incident like Sandy Hook Elementary or Columbine High School, to make people spew out some fear-driven mumbo jumbo about gun control. Funny thing is, nobody is saying shit about these daily death deaths in Chicago and so on.


100% agree, when you go against the status quo, and this is regardless of race....you will be ridiculed to the best of those people/companies/system etc degree. The system doesn't like to have it's balance of power upset and in sports, people like Hopkins have no problem tipping those scales

Hopkins, Floyd, Tyson, Ali...all these fighters have spoken out about issues at one time or another and they've all touched on their racial decent in regards to how their viewed in the sport. Is that a coincidence? I think not, they KNOW what time it is. Hell, Hopkins speaks on it every chance he gets. He brought it up in that ESPN article that was done on him not that long ago....Go look at comments under these guys' fights and I bet you in each one you'll find at least 3 or 4 racial remarks. I applaud what Hopkins is doing because not only is he breaking down barriers, he's using the platform that he finally has gotten to speak out on things, and not just race. I loved how in the post-fight presser how he championed the importance of reducing obesity and living the right way.

And I'd be lying if I said that another reason he's not glorified is because of his style of fighting. Early on in his career he seemed to be right on track but when he went more defensive and technician, it was hard to watch for some. Defense wins championships but offense sells tickets and that's what most care about


And they won't say anything about it because once again the system is being undermined and dictated by these corporations. In this case the NRA. But now that Mike Vick owns a dog, everyone is up in arms about it and wants to make some BS statements. But they rally against him but they don't rally for the murders that's happening on the southside of Chicago, or the war between latinos and blacks in LA. But when those precious white kids were killed, look what happened. We have taken strides in regards to race relations but to say that it doesn't play a factor. I question any one who says that and their motives behind saying it
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QUOTE (mrchitown @ Mar 12 2013, 06:32 PM) *
100% agree, when you go against the status quo, and this is regardless of race....you will be ridiculed to the best of those people/companies/system etc degree. The system doesn't like to have it's balance of power upset and in sports, people like Hopkins have no problem tipping those scales

Hopkins, Floyd, Tyson, Ali...all these fighters have spoken out about issues at one time or another and they've all touched on their racial decent in regards to how their viewed in the sport. Is that a coincidence? I think not, they KNOW what time it is. Hell, Hopkins speaks on it every chance he gets. He brought it up in that ESPN article that was done on him not that long ago....Go look at comments under these guys' fights and I bet you in each one you'll find at least 3 or 4 racial remarks. I applaud what Hopkins is doing because not only is he breaking down barriers, he's using the platform that he finally has gotten to speak out on things, and not just race. I loved how in the post-fight presser how he championed the importance of reducing obesity and living the right way.

And I'd be lying if I said that another reason he's not glorified is because of his style of fighting. Early on in his career he seemed to be right on track but when he went more defensive and technician, it was hard to watch for some. Defense wins championships but offense sells tickets and that's what most care about


And they won't say anything about it because once again the system is being undermined and dictated by these corporations. In this case the NRA. But now that Mike Vick owns a dog, everyone is up in arms about it and wants to make some BS statements. But they rally against him but they don't rally for the murders that's happening on the southside of Chicago, or the war between latinos and blacks in LA. But when those precious white kids were killed, look what happened. We have taken strides in regards to race relations but to say that it doesn't play a factor. I question any one who says that and their motives behind saying it



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- BrutUalBK   WHY DOESN'T AMERICA CELEBRATE HOPKINS?   Mar 10 2013, 02:29 PM
- - Marcus   QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Mar 10 2013, 02:29 PM)...   Mar 10 2013, 03:06 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (Marcus @ Mar 10 2013, 02:06 PM) I ...   Mar 10 2013, 03:34 PM
- - neophyte7   Race is a factor   Mar 10 2013, 06:24 PM
- - daprofessor   why didn't they celebrate barry bonds? why di...   Mar 10 2013, 07:38 PM
- - bnoles4life   He's a dick, maybe?   Mar 10 2013, 07:58 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (bnoles4life @ Mar 10 2013, 06:58 P...   Mar 10 2013, 11:26 PM
|- - bnoles4life   QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Mar 10 2013, 11:26 PM)...   Mar 11 2013, 04:09 AM
- - The Original MrFactor   QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Mar 10 2013, 03:29 PM)...   Mar 11 2013, 12:43 AM
- - neophyte7   Fuck rigid and racist jew Arum.. Hopkins had a dec...   Mar 11 2013, 09:43 AM
- - Dolimite   Same reason why they do not celebrate: Vick (befor...   Mar 11 2013, 01:10 PM
- - neophyte7   QUOTE (Dolimite @ Mar 11 2013, 02:10 PM) ...   Mar 11 2013, 01:23 PM
|- - bnoles4life   QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Mar 11 2013, 01:23 PM)...   Mar 11 2013, 04:41 PM
- - sduck   What in the world, how dare people here cry racism...   Mar 11 2013, 05:39 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE QUOTE (sduck @ Mar 11 2013, 04:39 P...   Mar 11 2013, 06:56 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (sduck @ Mar 11 2013, 04:39 PM) Wha...   Mar 11 2013, 07:32 PM
|- - bnoles4life   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Mar 11 2013, 07:32 PM)...   Mar 11 2013, 07:40 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (bnoles4life @ Mar 11 2013, 06:40 P...   Mar 11 2013, 10:15 PM
|- - Hotsauce   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Mar 11 2013, 10:15 PM)...   Mar 18 2013, 09:40 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (Hotsauce @ Mar 18 2013, 08:40 PM) ...   Mar 18 2013, 10:11 PM
- - Dolimite   QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Mar 11 2013, 11:23 AM)...   Mar 11 2013, 05:48 PM
- - mrchitown   He's a talented black man that isn't a sla...   Mar 11 2013, 07:25 PM
- - neophyte7   [quote name='Dolimite' date='Mar 11 20...   Mar 11 2013, 08:10 PM
- - sduck   QUOTE (Dolimite @ Mar 11 2013, 05:48 PM) ...   Mar 11 2013, 08:31 PM
|- - Dolimite   QUOTE (sduck @ Mar 11 2013, 06:31 PM) Thi...   Mar 11 2013, 08:51 PM
||- - Hotsauce   QUOTE (Dolimite @ Mar 11 2013, 08:51 PM) ...   Mar 18 2013, 09:38 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (sduck @ Mar 11 2013, 07:31 PM) Thi...   Mar 11 2013, 09:53 PM
- - daprofessor   i think more than anything....bhop is not someone ...   Mar 11 2013, 09:04 PM
- - sduck   QUOTE (Dolimite @ Mar 11 2013, 08:51 PM) ...   Mar 11 2013, 10:34 PM
- - The Original MrFactor   I sat and thought about this one for a few days. I...   Mar 12 2013, 03:08 AM
- - Cshel86   QUOTE (sduck @ Mar 11 2013, 06:39 PM) Wha...   Mar 12 2013, 08:25 AM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Mar 12 2013, 07:25 AM) I...   Mar 12 2013, 06:32 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Mar 12 2013, 06:32 PM)...   Mar 12 2013, 07:31 PM
- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE So when was he ever bigger than your top bla...   Mar 12 2013, 09:24 AM
|- - WolfishPromistah   QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Mar 12 2013, 10:24 AM)...   Mar 13 2013, 01:53 AM
- - pacco_diablo   IMO, race does play a small part in it. Mostly fr...   Mar 12 2013, 11:00 AM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (pacco_diablo @ Mar 12 2013, 10:00 ...   Mar 12 2013, 12:10 PM
- - sduck   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Mar 12 2013, 08:25 AM) P...   Mar 13 2013, 04:47 AM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (sduck @ Mar 13 2013, 04:47 AM) Tha...   Mar 13 2013, 08:01 AM
|- - sduck   QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Mar 13 2013, 08:01 AM)...   Mar 13 2013, 07:06 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (sduck @ Mar 13 2013, 07:06 PM) lol...   Mar 13 2013, 07:10 PM
- - neophyte7   Overall Hopkin's achievements are like a giant...   Mar 13 2013, 06:30 PM
- - mgrover   I do have a fault with both the people he fought t...   Mar 13 2013, 07:55 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (mgrover @ Mar 13 2013, 06:55 PM) I...   Mar 13 2013, 08:49 PM
|- - mgrover   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Mar 14 2013, 01:49 AM)...   Mar 14 2013, 05:48 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (mgrover @ Mar 14 2013, 04:48 PM) D...   Mar 14 2013, 06:13 PM
|- - mgrover   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Mar 14 2013, 11:13 PM)...   Mar 14 2013, 06:17 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (mgrover @ Mar 14 2013, 05:17 PM) n...   Mar 14 2013, 07:09 PM
- - neophyte7   QUOTE (mgrover @ Mar 13 2013, 08:55 PM) I...   Mar 13 2013, 08:15 PM
|- - mgrover   QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Mar 14 2013, 01:15 AM)...   Mar 14 2013, 05:46 PM
- - neophyte7   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Mar 13 2013, 09:49 PM)...   Mar 14 2013, 12:56 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Mar 14 2013, 11:56 AM)...   Mar 14 2013, 03:29 PM
- - mgrover   Hopkins obviously, I mean he beat Cloud to win the...   Mar 14 2013, 08:07 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (mgrover @ Mar 14 2013, 07:07 PM) H...   Mar 15 2013, 02:33 PM
|- - mgrover   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Mar 15 2013, 07:33 PM)...   Mar 15 2013, 07:46 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (mgrover @ Mar 15 2013, 06:46 PM) F...   Mar 15 2013, 08:20 PM
|- - mgrover   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Mar 16 2013, 01:20 AM)...   Mar 16 2013, 01:40 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (mgrover @ Mar 16 2013, 12:40 PM) I...   Mar 17 2013, 04:42 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Mar 17 2013, 04:42 PM)...   Mar 18 2013, 06:56 AM
- - sduck   I think what MG is saying makes sense. You can def...   Mar 19 2013, 01:50 AM
- - anthonyaccurate   To anyone discrediting b-hop for beating cloud as ...   Mar 19 2013, 05:01 AM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (anthonyaccurate @ Mar 19 2013, 04...   Mar 19 2013, 10:18 PM
|- - mgrover   QUOTE (anthonyaccurate @ Mar 19 2013, 10...   Mar 20 2013, 01:03 PM
||- - anthonyaccurate   QUOTE (mgrover @ Mar 20 2013, 02:03 PM) D...   Mar 21 2013, 10:20 PM
||- - mgrover   QUOTE (anthonyaccurate @ Mar 22 2013, 03...   Mar 22 2013, 05:51 AM
|- - sduck   QUOTE (anthonyaccurate @ Mar 19 2013, 05...   Mar 20 2013, 10:43 PM
- - neophyte7   Dawson was simply better that night and style wise...   Mar 22 2013, 07:06 AM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Mar 22 2013, 07:06 AM)...   Mar 26 2013, 01:25 PM
- - mgrover   http://www.fighthype.com/news/article14111.html I...   Mar 26 2013, 10:28 AM
- - FinitoElDinamita   IT's simple. Reason he's not celebrated i...   Mar 27 2013, 09:13 PM
- - neophyte7   [quote name='FinitoElDinamita' date='M...   Mar 27 2013, 09:48 PM
- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE Bullshit...Someone highlighted that Lance Ar...   Mar 28 2013, 04:57 AM


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