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BrutUalBK
post Mar 10 2013, 02:29 PM
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America is very selective at best when it comes to who we pick and chose when it comes to making celebrities, if BHop was in any other country in the world he'd be on the cover of every magazine, box of cereal, doing all the commercials and an icon to their status as a proud nation.

But in the USA, Hopkins isn't celebrated, isn't given any or very little fanfare at all. I wish I knew the reasoning for this but I guess I'd have to ask you guys here to speculate as to why this is, Lance Armstrong prior to his downfall was The Man in his native land and the only person who stood par with him are Jordan and Pacquiao.

I have a few reasons why I believe he'd never get the status he deserves in the public's persona are the following:

1. Former Felon
2. Not considered by some to be an exciting fighter
3. Boxing as a whole isn't amongst the country's most embraced sports like Football
4. He's African American (not necessarily a racial thing here) but if he were White then I believe he'd get the fanfare because white America still longs for their GWH
5. He isn't exactly pleasing to the eye (looks), the missing teeth do not help
6. In the past some took the comment he made about Joe C "never let a white boy beat me" as a racial attack and they won't live it down/let it go
7. The powers that be doesn't want an old face to be the face of this sport, they prefer the young bruiser types like Tyson

Personally, I believe he should be given more credit for what he has done and continues to do because as far as I know there isn't another dominant champion in any other sport at his age that continues to be as defiant/at the top of their league and doing it against opposition nearly half their age.

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post Mar 13 2013, 04:47 AM
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QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Mar 12 2013, 08:25 AM) *
People loved them AFTER they hit rock bottom, and more than likely, that "love" that they show them, is from pure guilt for all of the nasty shit that they said about them while they were on top of their game.

Ali is damn near the poster child for Parkinson's disease, and why isn't Michael J. Fox the poster child? It's a weird way of looking at it, but I believe people "uplift" Ali and condition, because he's still suffering. Michael J. Fox doesn't seem to be doing all that bad nowadays, but Ali on the other hand...

No matter how much shit Tyson did back in the day, I believe most can stand up and say that Mike is a real dude. The stuff that he expresses nowadays, most men wouldn't even admit. When he seemed dangerous and mentally unstable, they had everything in the world to say about him, but now that he has this pleasant demeanor, people are clamoring over his presence and so on.

That's another thing some people do, that's just a natural evil of people.

Muhammad Ali and Michael J. Fox are not even the same kind of people. Fox is nothing more than an actor. Ali is a fighter, a sports Icon. People naturally have more sympathy for Ali because his recognition his greater.

QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Mar 12 2013, 09:24 AM) *
First of all, they are not MY top black fighters. Second, Marciano is still bigger than all of them. Let me explain; you are confusing popularity with boxing. In terms of boxing none of them have did what RM has done and therefore there are none who have surpassed him, examine what happened with Babe Ruth and then compare it to when Bonds outsted his record.

Sure Ali and Tyson were more well-known especially in recent times and that is due to the modern day we live in and how the media is broadcasted around the world and that makes them more popular but in terms of the sport of boxing they still did not superseed RM/his PERFECT record of 50-0 and until anyone does then he is touted as the absolute best in this sport.

Now you may not believe it but that argument happens in the USA a lot more than you think especially if you debate with someone who can still remember him (RM) from his days of perfection in this sport. Ali wasn't big so much so for what he did in the ring, it was his political stance/statements against the Vietnam War that gained him his worldwide fame/popularity, Tyson was popular initially because he KO'd many of his opponents in devastating fashion but as his competition got better he gained fame from his antics outside of the ring and as well as the earbiting incident and not because of what he did in the sport.

All we need to do here is to stop looking at the man and look at the achievement, being the oldest man to capture a Championship should be the focus and no matter who did that it in itself should make them an instant celebrity regardless if you liked their boxing style or not. Sure Hopkins isn't pretty, sure he has a big mouth, sure some of his fights may be dull but at the end of the day he has done what no other has done in this sport and that alone should give him the fanfare he deserves whether you love him or hate him.

I wasn't literally saying your favorites, I was saying people in general. Uh what, this is based on popularity. People like Ali and Tyson were popular fighters because of their antics in and outside of the sport. Rocky Marciano was never that popular of a fighter, people only mention him because of his undefeated record as a heavyweight. He's usually nothing more than a name that some people try to use for argument sake, whether to compare to other fighters, or to uplift themselves (white-Italian pride).

People will never be rightfully appreciated as a whole. Most people that acknowledge boxing are nothing more but casual fans, who react to what little with what they know.
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post Mar 13 2013, 08:01 AM
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QUOTE (sduck @ Mar 13 2013, 04:47 AM) *
That's another thing some people do, that's just a natural evil of people.

Muhammad Ali and Michael J. Fox are not even the same kind of people. Fox is nothing more than an actor. Ali is a fighter, a sports Icon. People naturally have more sympathy for Ali because his recognition his greater.


I wasn't literally saying your favorites, I was saying people in general. Uh what, this is based on popularity. People like Ali and Tyson were popular fighters because of their antics in and outside of the sport. Rocky Marciano was never that popular of a fighter, people only mention him because of his undefeated record as a heavyweight. He's usually nothing more than a name that some people try to use for argument sake, whether to compare to other fighters, or to uplift themselves (white-Italian pride).

People will never be rightfully appreciated as a whole. Most people that acknowledge boxing are nothing more but casual fans, who react to what little with what they know.


Again, I believe you are getting caught up in this "Popularity" issue, this isn't about popularity-it's about achievement!! Regardless of how BHop fought in the past or how he fights now and even the things he's stated or whether or not people like him or not; it should be about the achievement alone. In regards to Rocky Marciano is exactly what I'm thinking, sure Rocky wasn't popular but based what he was able to achieve he is still celebrated and often his name come up in comparison to the HWs and many in boxing for having the perfect record.

Why is it that his (Marciano's) perfect record still being thrown up in people's faces whenever we speak of the best HWs or the best in boxing? It is simple, because of his achievement, not because the way he fought or the things he said/didn't say and because his skin happens to be white. Whether or not we chose to accept those as valid reasons or not the facts remain undisputed.
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- BrutUalBK   WHY DOESN'T AMERICA CELEBRATE HOPKINS?   Mar 10 2013, 02:29 PM
- - Marcus   QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Mar 10 2013, 02:29 PM)...   Mar 10 2013, 03:06 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (Marcus @ Mar 10 2013, 02:06 PM) I ...   Mar 10 2013, 03:34 PM
- - neophyte7   Race is a factor   Mar 10 2013, 06:24 PM
- - daprofessor   why didn't they celebrate barry bonds? why di...   Mar 10 2013, 07:38 PM
- - bnoles4life   He's a dick, maybe?   Mar 10 2013, 07:58 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (bnoles4life @ Mar 10 2013, 06:58 P...   Mar 10 2013, 11:26 PM
|- - bnoles4life   QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Mar 10 2013, 11:26 PM)...   Mar 11 2013, 04:09 AM
- - The Original MrFactor   QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Mar 10 2013, 03:29 PM)...   Mar 11 2013, 12:43 AM
- - neophyte7   Fuck rigid and racist jew Arum.. Hopkins had a dec...   Mar 11 2013, 09:43 AM
- - Dolimite   Same reason why they do not celebrate: Vick (befor...   Mar 11 2013, 01:10 PM
- - neophyte7   QUOTE (Dolimite @ Mar 11 2013, 02:10 PM) ...   Mar 11 2013, 01:23 PM
|- - bnoles4life   QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Mar 11 2013, 01:23 PM)...   Mar 11 2013, 04:41 PM
- - sduck   What in the world, how dare people here cry racism...   Mar 11 2013, 05:39 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE QUOTE (sduck @ Mar 11 2013, 04:39 P...   Mar 11 2013, 06:56 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (sduck @ Mar 11 2013, 04:39 PM) Wha...   Mar 11 2013, 07:32 PM
|- - bnoles4life   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Mar 11 2013, 07:32 PM)...   Mar 11 2013, 07:40 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (bnoles4life @ Mar 11 2013, 06:40 P...   Mar 11 2013, 10:15 PM
|- - Hotsauce   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Mar 11 2013, 10:15 PM)...   Mar 18 2013, 09:40 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (Hotsauce @ Mar 18 2013, 08:40 PM) ...   Mar 18 2013, 10:11 PM
- - Dolimite   QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Mar 11 2013, 11:23 AM)...   Mar 11 2013, 05:48 PM
- - mrchitown   He's a talented black man that isn't a sla...   Mar 11 2013, 07:25 PM
- - neophyte7   [quote name='Dolimite' date='Mar 11 20...   Mar 11 2013, 08:10 PM
- - sduck   QUOTE (Dolimite @ Mar 11 2013, 05:48 PM) ...   Mar 11 2013, 08:31 PM
|- - Dolimite   QUOTE (sduck @ Mar 11 2013, 06:31 PM) Thi...   Mar 11 2013, 08:51 PM
||- - Hotsauce   QUOTE (Dolimite @ Mar 11 2013, 08:51 PM) ...   Mar 18 2013, 09:38 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (sduck @ Mar 11 2013, 07:31 PM) Thi...   Mar 11 2013, 09:53 PM
- - daprofessor   i think more than anything....bhop is not someone ...   Mar 11 2013, 09:04 PM
- - sduck   QUOTE (Dolimite @ Mar 11 2013, 08:51 PM) ...   Mar 11 2013, 10:34 PM
- - The Original MrFactor   I sat and thought about this one for a few days. I...   Mar 12 2013, 03:08 AM
- - Cshel86   QUOTE (sduck @ Mar 11 2013, 06:39 PM) Wha...   Mar 12 2013, 08:25 AM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Mar 12 2013, 07:25 AM) I...   Mar 12 2013, 06:32 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Mar 12 2013, 06:32 PM)...   Mar 12 2013, 07:31 PM
- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE So when was he ever bigger than your top bla...   Mar 12 2013, 09:24 AM
|- - WolfishPromistah   QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Mar 12 2013, 10:24 AM)...   Mar 13 2013, 01:53 AM
- - pacco_diablo   IMO, race does play a small part in it. Mostly fr...   Mar 12 2013, 11:00 AM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (pacco_diablo @ Mar 12 2013, 10:00 ...   Mar 12 2013, 12:10 PM
- - sduck   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Mar 12 2013, 08:25 AM) P...   Mar 13 2013, 04:47 AM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (sduck @ Mar 13 2013, 04:47 AM) Tha...   Mar 13 2013, 08:01 AM
|- - sduck   QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Mar 13 2013, 08:01 AM)...   Mar 13 2013, 07:06 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (sduck @ Mar 13 2013, 07:06 PM) lol...   Mar 13 2013, 07:10 PM
- - neophyte7   Overall Hopkin's achievements are like a giant...   Mar 13 2013, 06:30 PM
- - mgrover   I do have a fault with both the people he fought t...   Mar 13 2013, 07:55 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (mgrover @ Mar 13 2013, 06:55 PM) I...   Mar 13 2013, 08:49 PM
|- - mgrover   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Mar 14 2013, 01:49 AM)...   Mar 14 2013, 05:48 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (mgrover @ Mar 14 2013, 04:48 PM) D...   Mar 14 2013, 06:13 PM
|- - mgrover   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Mar 14 2013, 11:13 PM)...   Mar 14 2013, 06:17 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (mgrover @ Mar 14 2013, 05:17 PM) n...   Mar 14 2013, 07:09 PM
- - neophyte7   QUOTE (mgrover @ Mar 13 2013, 08:55 PM) I...   Mar 13 2013, 08:15 PM
|- - mgrover   QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Mar 14 2013, 01:15 AM)...   Mar 14 2013, 05:46 PM
- - neophyte7   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Mar 13 2013, 09:49 PM)...   Mar 14 2013, 12:56 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Mar 14 2013, 11:56 AM)...   Mar 14 2013, 03:29 PM
- - mgrover   Hopkins obviously, I mean he beat Cloud to win the...   Mar 14 2013, 08:07 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (mgrover @ Mar 14 2013, 07:07 PM) H...   Mar 15 2013, 02:33 PM
|- - mgrover   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Mar 15 2013, 07:33 PM)...   Mar 15 2013, 07:46 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (mgrover @ Mar 15 2013, 06:46 PM) F...   Mar 15 2013, 08:20 PM
|- - mgrover   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Mar 16 2013, 01:20 AM)...   Mar 16 2013, 01:40 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (mgrover @ Mar 16 2013, 12:40 PM) I...   Mar 17 2013, 04:42 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Mar 17 2013, 04:42 PM)...   Mar 18 2013, 06:56 AM
- - sduck   I think what MG is saying makes sense. You can def...   Mar 19 2013, 01:50 AM
- - anthonyaccurate   To anyone discrediting b-hop for beating cloud as ...   Mar 19 2013, 05:01 AM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (anthonyaccurate @ Mar 19 2013, 04...   Mar 19 2013, 10:18 PM
|- - mgrover   QUOTE (anthonyaccurate @ Mar 19 2013, 10...   Mar 20 2013, 01:03 PM
||- - anthonyaccurate   QUOTE (mgrover @ Mar 20 2013, 02:03 PM) D...   Mar 21 2013, 10:20 PM
||- - mgrover   QUOTE (anthonyaccurate @ Mar 22 2013, 03...   Mar 22 2013, 05:51 AM
|- - sduck   QUOTE (anthonyaccurate @ Mar 19 2013, 05...   Mar 20 2013, 10:43 PM
- - neophyte7   Dawson was simply better that night and style wise...   Mar 22 2013, 07:06 AM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Mar 22 2013, 07:06 AM)...   Mar 26 2013, 01:25 PM
- - mgrover   http://www.fighthype.com/news/article14111.html I...   Mar 26 2013, 10:28 AM
- - FinitoElDinamita   IT's simple. Reason he's not celebrated i...   Mar 27 2013, 09:13 PM
- - neophyte7   [quote name='FinitoElDinamita' date='M...   Mar 27 2013, 09:48 PM
- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE Bullshit...Someone highlighted that Lance Ar...   Mar 28 2013, 04:57 AM


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